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This guy is the modern day representative of the church, which hundreds of years ago used to burn "witches" for way less than what his gf said. She trashed his church, and he stood there silently and crying and he still prays to God to protect their relationship. Just a fun thread to see how far Papism has fallen.
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I, for one, am glad that Christians are all slave losers who lack the principles and discipline to actually act on, or even fully believe in, the belief system they claim to stake their entire lives around
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He also predicted that atrocities would occur when people turned their back on God and less than two generations after we got the Holocaust and the Soviets. Good job, atheists.
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Atheists didn't go far enough
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God: gee you ever wonder if you guys deserved it?
NebucCHADnezzar
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Find Christ, heathen. He is waiting for you.
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where?
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You have not found Christ either, for you hide your beliefs in papist robes to cover child r*pe and idolatry.
Repent or burn.
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
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Prot nonsense.
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what did nietshe mean
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That if Christians were really passionately concerned for the salvation of their fellow men in the hereafter, they would have continued to burn those whose heresies, according to them, lead legions into eternal darnation.
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level of argumentation
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Not even remotely, you fricking r-slur. It's just saying that it's hypocritical to act entirely according to a secular belief system when you're religious. If God tells you to do something, you better fricking do it, and that includes acts like murder that would be considered unethical according to secular reason (see: the religious figure that "Abrahamic" religions are named after). The only internally consistent form of religious thought is extremist fundamentalism
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Thats not true. Its possible to view holy books as the beginning of understanding the nature of God. One way to view the books of the old and new testaments is to see them as ancient wisdom that gives insight into how the people of that time related to God. God Himself gave you the ability to learn, critically think, question, and experience. After all, we know all the books have been written by men, and as you are a man, you also have the ability to wrestle with God and come away better for it.
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Yeah, if you just disregard religious texts as being essentially wrong that's fine too, lol. But Universial Unitarianism or whatever is even less convincing than conventional Abrahamic religion
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I am a christian who grew up fundamentalist. There's very little about fundamentalism that makes logical sense. It requires that you turn off the curious part of your brain and bow to authority(the pulpit) and buy into extremely tribal thinking. Literally can't ask certain questions or you'll be ostracized by the church.
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Thank god muslims are pretty chad bout it
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Throughout hundreds of years of Inquisition only a small handful (12-20 out of ~8000+ tried) of supposed witches were prosecuted, the majority position of Catholics has been for millennia that miracles are capable only through God. Obsessing about witchcraft is a folk tale and Protestant thing.
!Catholics most historically literate redditor tries and fails to finish a single sentence title about the Church without lying. !Christians join us in praying for the conversion of this wayward soul.
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Witch hunts are a documented thing, but from what I've heard, the Malelus Maleficarum which started a lot of it was writtwn by a catholic clergyman who was widely criticised, as he wrote the book in order to justify his own lust and instead presented his own views as that of the church. He was also banned from preaching and the book was proclaimed as non-catholic.
The majority of witchunts were mass hysteria not sanctioned by the church, and if we really want to get into semantics- the majority of witches were men, as 'witch' referred to anyone who dabbled in witchcraft, regardless of gender. The majority of such accused were also let go or punished in other ways, as per OP, executions were relatively rare.
!catholics excuse my ramblings
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They couldn't keep their believers in line even at that time, just those believers burned witches in that time in history, and now they cry that the West has fallen. Keep in mind in certain parts of Africa believers burn witches to this day.
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So how would you like the Church to keep misguided believers in line? In practice do you think they should be granted and exert more civil authority over the lives of the baptized? Pretty
of you. Also probably worth keeping in mind that the functional options in Africa today are between Islam and Christianity, not between Christianity and an agnostic skepticism.
I can pull citations on the Inquisition and the opinions of leading theologians of the day like the early Jesuits on witchcraft if you actually care beyond meme-ing on us. Historical records pretty clearly demonstrate that the trials functioned to protect the accused, not to condemn them. They were mostly focused on heretics. We did use a fair amount of violence against them at various points in time.
@lain's CS Lewis quote can be extrapolated out to explain the thought process and perceived morality of doing so. 
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Well Christianity is definitely way better than Islam if those are the 2 options. I definitely don't want the Church to exert civil authority over me, just because I was baptized as a baby without my consent. At the end of the day the social factors, public opion matter a lot and not just the exact stance of the Church, because once society might really like to lynch people they don't like, so they make it happen, even if the Church disapproved, and other times, when society is disillusioned from religion, they'll leave the pews, even tho the Church disapproves.
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At least you kept your peepee-tip, right?
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Islamic and Pagan parts of Africa as well. Africans in general are backwards savages longing to be ground beneath my tyrannical heel as I go marching the the great Serengeti in power armor, a choir of angels singing praises to God as I strike down the wicked sinful sons of Ham with my flaming sword and the eye in the sky bleeds red water endlessly .
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I won't respond to this blatant racism
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Trials were usually held to prevent their superstitious neighbors from lynching them and save the "witch" lol
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Like 90% of "witch hunts" were just communities persecuting an unpopular neighbor so they could take his stuff
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Sounds cool ill read it later
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Interesting point of view
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There is a moral advance in not executing witches when you don't believe in them.
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Christ deniers go to heck. Blocked
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holy shit you mungus, literally all major catholic places built in the south americas had a dungeon for mudering and mutilating and hurting folks they didnt like until they confessed to random shit
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Yeah that's bullshit, you can absolutely not back that up with citations lol
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_the_Inquisition_(Cartagena,_Colombia)
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I didn't say it never happened, just that it wasn't occurring at the scale or frequency you're claiming. Priests also didn't do the torturing, and there are historical records of individuals opting into inquisitorial trial rather than civil because it was known (at least in some places/times) to be more lenient and even handed. Even the location you selected had "roughly 800 executions" over a 220 year period after it was erected. Clearly very bloodthirsty folks, executing 4 people a year.
This shit is tantamount to blood libel the same as the
school stuff. !Catholics I've been sperging out all over this thread. 
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just admit that the catholic church did a lot of bad shit-
Thinnking the inquisition was all blood and mean is slurred
Thinking the unquisition was actually the good guys tm and all this stuff around horrible stuff was myths is double r slurred
also im not going to fricking soource every single major catholic instition's basement layout to win an internet argument
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No.
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Explain how magic works then? By your logic witches are actually working through God.
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https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15674a.htm
Show me evidence of witches performing real magic?
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how do you explain this story where Saul is looking for and finds and woman who can talk to the spirits of the dead. And she brings up the spirit of Samuel:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+28&version=CEV
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The apparition/angel/spirit/whatever the witch of Endor
"summons" berates Saul from turning away from God and tells him he'll lose the war for his apostasy. That would be consistent with a God-ordained miracle, yeah?
Also in the Greek translation Septuagint she's referred to as a ventriloquist, and Catholics since Paul and the Gospel authors themselves have been working off of that... so that's my Church approved explanation.
I can pull sources but I knew this one without even needing to check the verse.
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God ordered Saul to massacre the Amelekites, the men, women, the children and even the livestock, and Saul does massacre the men, women and children, but he doesn't massacre the livestock, and that's why God turns away from him and chooses David. How is it moral in any way to order a genocide, where he kills even the children and then nitpick and be mad at him for not massacring even the animals...
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I'll summarize the different views Catholics have taken historically, all of which are interpretations within the scope of Orthodox view:
1. The literalist approach, which admittedly was historically favored by St. Aquinas and certain other influential figures but is more commonly espoused by Protestants today: life is a gift from God, it is his to take away as well and if He orders it, that makes it moral. (this is the hardest to peg for me, probably for you too)
2. The spiritualist approach, taken by many early Christians (Origen, who is a massively influential figure from the first couple centuries): God didn't actually order the extermination of every living being in the Canaanite lands, and there are various scriptural references to a continued coexistence with Israelites lending credence to it being hyperbole on the part of the author to emphasize that we are to have nothing to do with paganism (the cultures of the day did participate in child sacrifice and other messed up stuff, there's evidence secular scholars accept).
3. The Christian reinterpretation approach, which is to varying degrees depending on instance espoused by Pope Benedict XVI amongst others: God didn't order the extermination, but the humans involved believed he had earnestly. In light of the revelation of Christ, this is clearly incompatible with His moral teachings.
There was a Biblical commission in the early 2000s that made clear Catholics aren't held to a literalist approach with people dating back to the 2nd century also on record taking that position. I dunno if you care enough to watch a 1 hour long discussion of the topic, maybe I'll longpost or tease the ideas out if you're curious for me to try to defend either of the 2/3rd.
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2 and 3 makes God a deciever? Sure it's way better than being an architect of a genocide, but I feel like a lot of these reinterpretations even in other cases, make God sound a deciever, and why would people worship a deceiver God.
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2 doesn't really require God to be a deceiver, Jesus used a lot of hyperbole in his teaching.
Origen did castrate himself though
so he ironically did take that one fully literally.
3 would be more of a modern and relativist approach in general wherein the inerrancy of scripture is relocated from the words of a given section to the whole or to the message.
Most priests I've spoken to favor some form/variation of 2 so I think it's what the pontifical colleges are teaching but don't quote me on that since I'm uncertain and it's not dogmatic either way.
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Some people are able to display their intelligence by going on at length on a subject and never actually saying anything. This ability is most common in trades such as politics, public relations, and law. You have impressed me by being able to best them all, while still coming off as an absolute idiot.
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Literally go on a retreat with them lol. Don't be an antiempiricist
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Why would I go on a retreat with witches
when I can read the Bible and lives of the saints with my friends and family 
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Salem trials alone had like 30 people killed r-slur
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Salem wasn't Catholic r-slur
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christianity is still christianity no matter what they might call themselves
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OP is talking about Catholicism, the person you're replying to was talking about Catholicism, they have different practices and history
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Many sides of the same coin, sorry to disappoint christcuck
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That wasn't Catholics...
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Frick you Christ denier. Blocked.
Find Christ, He lives in your heart. Find forgiveness now before you darn yourself any further.
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The ostrich when he doesn't like the world around him, puts his head in the sand to block the world, yet this act won't save him from the world.
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Catholics long to return to the womb
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actually its Jesussiana Christine
!downmarseyrs closeted transmisia 
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Papist Patrick Tomlinson energy here.
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Why bother listening to the filth of unrepentant Christ deniers. Those with poisoned souls do not need to have attention wasted on them.
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!nonchuds !atheists glorious thread. Look at the upmarsey to comment ratio and then at the seethe in comments.
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Ummm the Catholic church explicitly forbade the "burning of witches" with the penalty of death on several occasions over history. So while I generally dislike Catholics and the Pope we can't blame them for witch burnings:
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!christians, op didn't even give him a first date before God said she wasn't the one
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God cucks another
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zoz
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zle
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zozzle
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!atheists Goddarn why is every time the christcucks get pinged in here the whole thread turns into the Mote?
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A sperg a day keeps the crisis of faith away
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Quad, I'm a Protestant... you're okay with us, right?
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If you are one those liberal pro-Lgbt Protestants, then yes.
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You literally can't be pro cute twink and any sort of Christian denomination.
Leviticus 20:13
“If a man practices homosexuality, having s*x with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Those "liberal Protestants" will be burning in Heck.
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Old Testament laws don't matter anymore, Christ created a new covenant.
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1 Corinthians 6:9
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Yeah, I know the vast majority of Christians follow what Paul said in his letters, pretty sad honestly.
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If you believe
in Christianity 
then you believe 
in Jesus 
was god and the entirety of the New Testament is truth.
If you believe
he was merely a 1st century Jew, then he wasn't a big fan of homosexuality 
either
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You could say that Paul wrote that, but that he was a product of his time, and people now know better. Why expect him to write letters where he got everything right, when he was just a human too.
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Because if you're Christian
you believe 
it is divinely inspired writing.
If you're not then both him and jesus
were 1st century Jews with not so positive 
views of homosexuality.
Either way homosexuality
is not seen positively
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1 Corinthians 6:9
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Leviticus 20:13
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You sure Judaism wouldnt suit you more ?
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That one was written for Jews, so it's okay.
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Degenerates like you will burn in Heck for all eternity.
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straightanists arguing who's children are going to be tortured in nonstop agony forever for doing wrongthink (its ok tho bc YHWH actually loves them and hes holding xeir hands while xhey burn):
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Well since that's where the other "degenerates" go to as well, it will be a much more fire place.
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Stragmins please ban this hole of degenerates
To all who read: Christ is alive within you, He is waiting for you to find Him. His Church on earth, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, given to St. Peter by Christ Himself to lead, is waiting for all to return to the Sacrament. Sins are forgiven, all one needs to do is ask.
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the only peter i believe in is peter griffin !familyman
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My Brother in Christ...please...stop falling for euphoric and prot bait...
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It is the duty of every Catholic to defend against bigotry
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Why would I ask hin now if I can just end him at the end of my life
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Oh no salvation requires effort as Christ commanded and isn't some miracle instant handshake like prot heretic snake handlers????
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Those who don't respect the Sacrament aren't worthy. You need to get your soul correct and find Christ, if you continue to deny Him then you are just a hollow person. Blocked.
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This is why Islam will win
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Nope, cousin marriages so far has saved them from the modern world, because of their important extended family structure that comes with it, opposed to the nuclear family that the West has. But it won't last them forever, they will fall to it too.
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Cope
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Now that the world is so interconnected, if you keep fricking your cousin to keep your religion alive, your descendants will have worse genes, and normal people will outcompete them. To be fair this is indeed a strategy you can do for long, just accept that this is will make you at the bottom of the social hierarchy, and poor.
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C o p e
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WAKE UP, BROTHER! 🙏🏻 This is a CLEAR SIGN from GOD that this GIRL is NOT THE ONE for you! 💔 You can't be YOKED with someone who TRASHES the CATHOLIC CHURCH and everything it stands for! 🚫 That's like trying to MIX OIL and WATER - it just WON'T WORK! 💦
You need to PRAY for DISCERNMENT and WISDOM in this situation. Ask GOD to REVEAL to you whether this girl is part of HIS WILL for your life. And if she's not, then it's TIME TO CUT TIES and MOVE ON! 💔
You can't compromise on your FAITH and VALUES for the sake of a RELATIONSHIP. You need someone who SHARES your VALUES and RESPECTS your BELIEFS. Anything less is SETTLING for LESS THAN GOD'S BEST for your life! 🙅♂️
Remember, GOD is a GOD of ORDER and not of CONFUSION. If you're feeling CONFUSED and UNCERTAIN about this relationship, then it's likely NOT OF GOD! 🙅♂️
So, take a step back, PRAY, and SEEK GOD'S GUIDANCE in this situation. And if you need to, CUT TIES and MOVE ON! 💔 You deserve BETTER, and GOD has someone BETTER in store for you! 🙏🏻
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Yes. You have a duty to act as the sword and shield of the faith. Crucify the heretic in the name of the Lord God.
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I'll stick with Greek Paganism.
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Independent catholicism is the best catholicism. That's just how it is
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im shadowbanned poster BIPOCstomper58. i first started reading rdrama when i was about 12. by 14 i got really obsessed with the concept of “irony” and tried to channel it constantly, until my thought process got really bizarre and i would repeat things like “BIPOC balls” and “i love pooping inside BIPOC buttholes” in my head for hours, and i would get really paranoid, start seeing things in the corners of my eyes etc, basically prodromal schizophrenia. im now on antipsychotics. i always wondered what the kind of “ironic” style of rdrama humor was all about; i think it's the unconscious leaking in to the conscious, what jungian theory considered to be the cause of schizophrenic and schizotypal syptoms. i would advise all people who “get” rdrama to be careful because that likely means you have a predisposition to a mental illness. peace.
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