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This guy is the modern day representative of the church, which hundreds of years ago used to burn "witches" for way less than what his gf said. She trashed his church, and he stood there silently and crying and he still prays to God to protect their relationship. Just a fun thread to see how far Papism has fallen.
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Throughout hundreds of years of Inquisition only a small handful (12-20 out of ~8000+ tried) of supposed witches were prosecuted, the majority position of Catholics has been for millennia that miracles are capable only through God. Obsessing about witchcraft is a folk tale and Protestant thing.
!Catholics most historically literate redditor tries and fails to finish a single sentence title about the Church without lying. !Christians join us in praying for the conversion of this wayward soul.
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holy shit you mungus, literally all major catholic places built in the south americas had a dungeon for mudering and mutilating and hurting folks they didnt like until they confessed to random shit
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Yeah that's bullshit, you can absolutely not back that up with citations lol
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_the_Inquisition_(Cartagena,_Colombia)
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I didn't say it never happened, just that it wasn't occurring at the scale or frequency you're claiming. Priests also didn't do the torturing, and there are historical records of individuals opting into inquisitorial trial rather than civil because it was known (at least in some places/times) to be more lenient and even handed. Even the location you selected had "roughly 800 executions" over a 220 year period after it was erected. Clearly very bloodthirsty folks, executing 4 people a year.
This shit is tantamount to blood libel the same as the
school stuff. !Catholics I've been sperging out all over this thread. 
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just admit that the catholic church did a lot of bad shit-
Thinnking the inquisition was all blood and mean is slurred
Thinking the unquisition was actually the good guys tm and all this stuff around horrible stuff was myths is double r slurred
also im not going to fricking soource every single major catholic instition's basement layout to win an internet argument
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No.
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Witch hunts are a documented thing, but from what I've heard, the Malelus Maleficarum which started a lot of it was writtwn by a catholic clergyman who was widely criticised, as he wrote the book in order to justify his own lust and instead presented his own views as that of the church. He was also banned from preaching and the book was proclaimed as non-catholic.
The majority of witchunts were mass hysteria not sanctioned by the church, and if we really want to get into semantics- the majority of witches were men, as 'witch' referred to anyone who dabbled in witchcraft, regardless of gender. The majority of such accused were also let go or punished in other ways, as per OP, executions were relatively rare.
!catholics excuse my ramblings
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They couldn't keep their believers in line even at that time, just those believers burned witches in that time in history, and now they cry that the West has fallen. Keep in mind in certain parts of Africa believers burn witches to this day.
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So how would you like the Church to keep misguided believers in line? In practice do you think they should be granted and exert more civil authority over the lives of the baptized? Pretty
of you. Also probably worth keeping in mind that the functional options in Africa today are between Islam and Christianity, not between Christianity and an agnostic skepticism.
I can pull citations on the Inquisition and the opinions of leading theologians of the day like the early Jesuits on witchcraft if you actually care beyond meme-ing on us. Historical records pretty clearly demonstrate that the trials functioned to protect the accused, not to condemn them. They were mostly focused on heretics. We did use a fair amount of violence against them at various points in time.
@lain's CS Lewis quote can be extrapolated out to explain the thought process and perceived morality of doing so. 
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Well Christianity is definitely way better than Islam if those are the 2 options. I definitely don't want the Church to exert civil authority over me, just because I was baptized as a baby without my consent. At the end of the day the social factors, public opion matter a lot and not just the exact stance of the Church, because once society might really like to lynch people they don't like, so they make it happen, even if the Church disapproved, and other times, when society is disillusioned from religion, they'll leave the pews, even tho the Church disapproves.
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At least you kept your peepee-tip, right?
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Islamic and Pagan parts of Africa as well. Africans in general are backwards savages longing to be ground beneath my tyrannical heel as I go marching the the great Serengeti in power armor, a choir of angels singing praises to God as I strike down the wicked sinful sons of Ham with my flaming sword and the eye in the sky bleeds red water endlessly .
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I won't respond to this blatant racism
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Trials were usually held to prevent their superstitious neighbors from lynching them and save the "witch" lol
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Like 90% of "witch hunts" were just communities persecuting an unpopular neighbor so they could take his stuff
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Sounds cool ill read it later
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Interesting point of view
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There is a moral advance in not executing witches when you don't believe in them.
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Christ deniers go to heck. Blocked
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Explain how magic works then? By your logic witches are actually working through God.
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https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15674a.htm
Show me evidence of witches performing real magic?
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how do you explain this story where Saul is looking for and finds and woman who can talk to the spirits of the dead. And she brings up the spirit of Samuel:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+28&version=CEV
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The apparition/angel/spirit/whatever the witch of Endor
"summons" berates Saul from turning away from God and tells him he'll lose the war for his apostasy. That would be consistent with a God-ordained miracle, yeah?
Also in the Greek translation Septuagint she's referred to as a ventriloquist, and Catholics since Paul and the Gospel authors themselves have been working off of that... so that's my Church approved explanation.
I can pull sources but I knew this one without even needing to check the verse.
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God ordered Saul to massacre the Amelekites, the men, women, the children and even the livestock, and Saul does massacre the men, women and children, but he doesn't massacre the livestock, and that's why God turns away from him and chooses David. How is it moral in any way to order a genocide, where he kills even the children and then nitpick and be mad at him for not massacring even the animals...
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I'll summarize the different views Catholics have taken historically, all of which are interpretations within the scope of Orthodox view:
1. The literalist approach, which admittedly was historically favored by St. Aquinas and certain other influential figures but is more commonly espoused by Protestants today: life is a gift from God, it is his to take away as well and if He orders it, that makes it moral. (this is the hardest to peg for me, probably for you too)
2. The spiritualist approach, taken by many early Christians (Origen, who is a massively influential figure from the first couple centuries): God didn't actually order the extermination of every living being in the Canaanite lands, and there are various scriptural references to a continued coexistence with Israelites lending credence to it being hyperbole on the part of the author to emphasize that we are to have nothing to do with paganism (the cultures of the day did participate in child sacrifice and other messed up stuff, there's evidence secular scholars accept).
3. The Christian reinterpretation approach, which is to varying degrees depending on instance espoused by Pope Benedict XVI amongst others: God didn't order the extermination, but the humans involved believed he had earnestly. In light of the revelation of Christ, this is clearly incompatible with His moral teachings.
There was a Biblical commission in the early 2000s that made clear Catholics aren't held to a literalist approach with people dating back to the 2nd century also on record taking that position. I dunno if you care enough to watch a 1 hour long discussion of the topic, maybe I'll longpost or tease the ideas out if you're curious for me to try to defend either of the 2/3rd.
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2 and 3 makes God a deciever? Sure it's way better than being an architect of a genocide, but I feel like a lot of these reinterpretations even in other cases, make God sound a deciever, and why would people worship a deceiver God.
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2 doesn't really require God to be a deceiver, Jesus used a lot of hyperbole in his teaching.
Origen did castrate himself though
so he ironically did take that one fully literally.
3 would be more of a modern and relativist approach in general wherein the inerrancy of scripture is relocated from the words of a given section to the whole or to the message.
Most priests I've spoken to favor some form/variation of 2 so I think it's what the pontifical colleges are teaching but don't quote me on that since I'm uncertain and it's not dogmatic either way.
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Some people are able to display their intelligence by going on at length on a subject and never actually saying anything. This ability is most common in trades such as politics, public relations, and law. You have impressed me by being able to best them all, while still coming off as an absolute idiot.
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Literally go on a retreat with them lol. Don't be an antiempiricist
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Why would I go on a retreat with witches
when I can read the Bible and lives of the saints with my friends and family 
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Salem trials alone had like 30 people killed r-slur
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Salem wasn't Catholic r-slur
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christianity is still christianity no matter what they might call themselves
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OP is talking about Catholicism, the person you're replying to was talking about Catholicism, they have different practices and history
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Many sides of the same coin, sorry to disappoint christcuck
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That wasn't Catholics...
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