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Bard spotting on Bluesky 26 November 2024 :marseyrandom:

Here we spot wild Bardfinn Bluesky activities.

Be valid and ping ! bardfinn for something worthwhile or create a new thread.

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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Information is distinct from (and many have argued that it is entirely distinct from) knowledge.

Wikipedia is knowledge.

Twitter is information.

Knowledge is slow.

Information is fast.

Importantly, dis- & mis-information are still information.

And they are not knowledge.

Will Saletan (@saletan.bsky.social):

One lesson of the Information Age is that information does not solve the problem of human irrationality.

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Cooper Lund (@cooperlund.online):

I would like to have to opt in because I would like some dumbass with a computer to not steal my voice without asking me, it's pretty simple

terra firma, terra eterna 🚱🌉 (@kavi.bsky.social):

If you don't want open datasets to exist, just say that. This stuff is just intellectually dishonest — obviously you are not going to get opt-ins from millions of people to put together a dataset, that's obviously unfeasible. Do you want to be bombarded with requests to opt in?


terra firma, terra eterna 🚱🌉 (@kavi.bsky.social):

What specific harm are you picturing here?


Cooper Lund (@cooperlund.online):

There doesn't have to be harm for me to not want to have it happen, dumbass. That's a bad frame on the conversation, and probably why you can't understand why people don't want this.


Ellie (@itsellie.bsky.social):

"I'm not harmed but I still don't want it" okay but the question is why should other people care


matthew (@pahuski.com):

people around you certainly should care that you don't understand the concept of consent


Ellie (@itsellie.bsky.social):

Do you realize that not everything needs to be explicitly consented to? You can take pictures of people in public (in the US) without their explicit consent, because being in public implies that they are fine with being photographed. Same here with posts.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Uh, no.

The BlueSky TOS lets endusers access and use the services.

It doesn't convey any explicit sublicense to the content they find on the service.

Dude copied content off the service.

Without license, without permission from the owners.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

To put it a different way,

Someone using this service who is in the jurisdiction of the United States could (at a minor expense)

Get some random posts of theirs copyright registered at the Library of Congress, & anyone copying them off the service would then be liable for $750 - $30,000 per copy


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Or someone could just sue for actual damages without a registered copyright.

Because the TOS here explicitly doesn't sublicense content.

You personally might not care.

Other people do.


Ellie (@itsellie.bsky.social):

Ah yes, "leftists for strong copyright laws". Great ideology you have there lmao.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

My ideology is the use of available cowtools to prevent abuse & exploitation.

It's worked better than saying "Stop, or I'll say Stop again", and better than saying "This really gets on my /thungas/, it really does"

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Anna Phylaxis (@quatoria.bsky.social):

And presumably this sounds the death knell to getting Long Covid recognized, or any federal effort to fund treatment and research into it.

Parker Molloy (@parkermolloy.com):

From Trump's announcement... I have to wonder what, specifically, he's referring to when he says "Crisis of Chronic Illness and Disease."

I've seen RFK use that type of phrasing to refer to things like autism, and I worry this might be a set up to claim that being trans is a "chronic illness."


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

They're probably going to target "obesity", but in a haphazard, pseudoscience, eugenicist fashion, by i.e. disallowing sodas and corn chips to be bought with food stamps


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

But yeah,

Long covid,

GD, GID,

HIV / AIDS,

cancers, probably

Lupus

Reducing medical care to "take a 500 mg ibuprofen and get back to work"

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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

So, for /reasons/, I decided to read the BlueSky ToS tonight.

bsky.social/about/suppor...

These user agreements for UCHISPs usually have a clause that reads i.e.

"Subject to your complete compliance with these Terms, [entity] grants you a [qualifiers] license to …"

I'm not seeing one, here

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Terms of Service - Bluesky


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

I see a clause where endusers grant BlueSky the license to

[share] User Content throughout Bluesky Social and the AT Protocol

& permission to

store and present User Content to other users in Bluesky Social. This allows us to show your posts in the Bluesky app to other users;

HOWEVER -


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

I don't see the other half.

BlueSky makes a bargain with each of us to certain rights to the content we ask to host here,

BUT

never seems to explicitly license us to use other user's content in any way


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Indeed, the user agreement disclaims -

Bluesky does not control others' use of your content.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

So the user agreement seems entirely to be a license to access & use the services.

And there is no conveyed license in the default user agreement to any other users to any of an arbitrary user's content.


the That in the Hat 🏳️⚧️ (@thatharper.bsky.social):

So, uh...

Do reskeets violate copyright


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

I am so far from equipped to answer that question.

I do know that there were argued cases which deliberated over whether a text that is 120 characters in length is capable of having copyrights vest in it … but don't know the outcome or inferred parameters from that


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Do texts that are only 300 characters in length have copyrights automatically vest in them under US jurisdiction upon fixation in a medium

I don't know.

Do reskeets violate copyright

I don't know

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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Which is interesting.

I am not a lawyer, not your lawyer, and none of this is legal advice. I'm just the kind of knurd who reads Terms of Service & Acceptable Use Policies in case I find a secret lever hidden in them


Daemonia (@daemonia.bsky.social):

Well You have our respects for reading ToS. Since this stuff isn't as straightforward as ppl like it to be.**

*we have examples of this unrelated to the current blue-sky discourse.

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Chicken Puppet (@chickenpuppet.bsky.social):

Reformatting this whole thing. Blocklist for Hugging Face, the AI company that's proudly stealing your tweets


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

It's important to note that subscribing to this blocklist will NOT stop Huggingface or the dude who scrape the posts (and then hosted the dataset on Huggingface) from using the firehose API to read your posts.

It will lay down a potential basis for a legal complaint, though


Anodyne Handle (@tommyg.bsky.social):

Well, that sounds worth doing.

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Borg (@sol-roi.bsky.social):

Well, but anybody can collect. The issue is not website terms, it's that is the protocol for communication. If you close it, you bring on many more challenges that make running it as non-profitable as the other place. So getting upset is no solution to open skies.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

anybody can collect

Not legally. Doing so violates copyright.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

To put it bluntly:

BlueSky does not convey from me to you any license you to use my content (my posts) for anything other than an implicit license to display it on your device.

You don't have the legal right to do anything else with it.


Borg (@sol-roi.bsky.social):

BlueSky is a thin skin over the protocol. The messages exist and are exchanged on the protocol. BlueSky has no claim since it's just a skin, it's not housing data.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

This is equivalent to stating that because my works are transmitted over TCP/IP, a protocol not specified by a given country's laws, that they aren't covered by copyrights. It is false. End of.

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Borg (@sol-roi.bsky.social):

You need jurisdiction for such claims. An open protocol lacks ties to any one nation, which is a freeing part. You may not like it, but that's not the same as a legal claim.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

You need jurisdiction

I have it. The corp running this service is chartered in the US. The corp hosting the scraped data sets is chartered in the US. End of that line of exploration.


Borg (@sol-roi.bsky.social):

And assuming that the user or group you are targeting also resides in a country with agreements with said nations. What I'm saying is your messages still exist on the protocol, by virtue that you have to use it on BSky. So anyone outside those jurisdictions can see everything and not have to comply


Borg (@sol-roi.bsky.social):

This is a case of having a cake and eating it too. The regulatory greys are part of the reason people like it, in some cases, and not in others.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

There is no grey area here, and anyone who has told you differently is selling you something.

We're done, here

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Brooke (@brooklynmarie.bsky.social):

He died by being blocked too much on Bluesky :(

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What to Know About Chuck Woolery's Cause of Death


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Why is the seeming correlation between Game Show Hosting and Terminal Brain Worms so high?

Did Alex Trebek corner the market on class and then take it all with him when he went


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

These and other idle thoughts sideswiping me on a Tuesday evening

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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

I propose the following:

Every time a slimeball game show host passes on, we hold another In Memoriam / Moment of Silence / Wake

for Alex Trebek, instead

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Joseph Cox (@josephcox.bsky.social):

New: Musk's X filed a highly unusual objection in The Onion's bid to buy InfoWars, arguing that X has "superior ownership" of all accounts on X and shouldn't be given to The Onion. A stark reminder you do not own your social media accounts, political move www.404media.co/xs-objection...

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X's Objection to the Onion Buying InfoWars Is a Reminder You Do Not Own Your Social Media Accounts


See Shell by the Seashore 🌊 (@laughlines.bsky.social):

Well in reverse... The Onion could say that if you own Info wars's account then you should also be legally liable for the misinformation that was spread, no?


Sage 🏳️⚧️🦃 (@trans.bsky.social):

@bencollins.bsky.social - you have a chance to do the funniest thing ever to Elon Musk & twitter


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

To wit: publish a schedule of statutory royalty fees for unlicensed commercial usage of the Intellectual Property and send invoices for the uses on a monthly basis, and when not paid in a timely fashion, sell them on to the worst debt collectors in the world


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Musk can pay the Sandy Hook families

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olive consumer (@machete.gay):

I know we're just playing Calvinball with this shit and it doesn't actually matter, but it's hard to not read this as an implicit—if not explicit—statement that X, as a platform-holder, is responsible for everything that appears on that platform.

Jason Koebler (@jasonkoebler.bsky.social):

Elon Musk's legal filing in the InfoWars bankruptcy case is both batshit crazy and also what you'd expect. It asserts that X owns every account, can do whatever it wants with them, and can inject itself into legal proceedings that have nothing to do with Twitter

www.404media.co/xs-objection...


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

It's - on its face - a tacit admission that they own all metadata.

Attorneys will 180° any claim by Musk that they own user content

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Daniel Duke Windsor, PhD 🏳️🌈 (@thedukewindsor.bsky.social):

A college aged kid screamed at me, a gay man, as I drove by. He called me a "fricking cute twink." So, perhaps the kids ain't alright after all.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Urghhh

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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

A recent NYT editorial, or article, or … whatever … (not giving them oxygen)

Suggests that the Democratic party should court JK Rowling —

A woman who has dedicated her life to supporting and apreading Ideologically Motivated Violent Extremism targeting transgender people

That is the end of that.


My name is Nick (@altjelly.bsky.social):

The Democratic party is addicted to failure. I really think this recent election is, no joke, fully the death of the Democratic Party.

My whole life, I thought of the Democratic Party as a necessary tool in the fight against far right extremism. Now I just see another group of Republicans.

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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Bold frickin' move of Musk to assert he will owe royalties in perpetuity to The Onion for every user view of every infowars "Twitter" account

Jason Koebler (@jasonkoebler.bsky.social):

Elon Musk's legal filing in the InfoWars bankruptcy case is both batshit crazy and also what you'd expect. It asserts that X owns every account, can do whatever it wants with them, and can inject itself into legal proceedings that have nothing to do with Twitter

www.404media.co/xs-objection...

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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

I, uh, respectfully disagree.

Source: We had to force Germany to surrender unconditionally in 1945, to make even half of their population tolerate "Hitler got Elected Then Everything Swiftly …".

They will blame demons before they blame Trump

Faine Greenwood (@faineg.bsky.social):

folks, I know things are very bleak, but I do in fact think that even our gibbering idiot voters will eventually figure out that Trump Got Elected Then Everything Swiftly Became Way More Expensive and Bad


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

And by "demons",

gestures at the long, long history of White Identity Extremism casting all non-White-AngloSaxon-CisHet-Men as "Demons"


Finnydotca (@finnydotca.bsky.social):

My best guess is that for two years it will be "things are expensive and bad but it's necessary for Trump to fix things". Then the Dems will retake congress and it will all be their fault again.

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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

One of the most important ways that orgs, institutions, service providers, and corporations can counter & prevent harassment by insiders belonging to organised harassment rings (& "lone wolves") is to implement the Principle of Least Necessary Privilege

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princip...

Principle of least privilege - Wikipedia


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Does this volunteer / employee really need access to everything these other volunteer / employees are doing, to get their work / tasks done?

Why is your data input employee, who is paid the least, able to read your backup tapes on the server?


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

If you're architecting social media platforms, are you designing in security that allows people to lock their accounts? Access Control Lists can be computationally expensive features, but they are becoming extremely necessary features as well.

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Katelyn Burns (@transscribe.bsky.social):

Yeah this was a whole thing. Caitlyn Jenner filmed herself going into the women's room at Trump Towers. North Carolina was trying to ban trans people from bathrooms and our whole culture responded in outrage. They moved the NBA All Star game out of Charlotte.

Natacha (@natacha.bsky.social):

This is suddenly kicking off on what's left of MuskTwit…

Apparently Trump was opposed to bathroom bans.

x.com/calltoactivi...


Kayleigh 3³ (@kaelyrhn.kayleighbourquin.com):

What's changed since then, because something has? It was an appalling move in 2016, but 8 years later and it's now the "right thing to do"


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashvil...

Nashville Statement - Wikipedia

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Mitildide 🦖 (@mitildide.bsky.social):

Oh you need to read more @enkiducoin.bsky.social if you don't understand what they're saying here

America's Lounge Singer (@krang.bsky.social):

???


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Hashtag Comphet

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Katie Tightkitty, CTO Bluezky Social (@katie.bzky.team):

Here at Bluezky Social, we are always striving to #innovate. Change is everything. I started from the bottom with nothing, but after 120,000 posts and a $30M angel investment, I learned the secrets of #success.

Here are the five key tips that I learned on my journey. 👇


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

Here in your thread.

You just made this new PFP here - Fun to post up here in the Bluesky Posts.

But you know what I like a lot more than knowledge? this new PFP here.

But you know what I like a lot more than this new PFP here?

My new TedX talk where I talk about this new PFP here.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

In fact, I'm a lot more proud of these seven new profiles you had to get installed to hold all 200,000 of these posts, here.

It's like the KT Tightkitty skyillionaire says, "The more you earn the more you post up here in the Bluesky Hills."


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

In fact, the real reason I comment in this thread, is the real reason I comment in this thread here is that it's a reminder.

A reminder that drears are still possible


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

because it wasn't that long ago that I was in a little Bluesky account, sleeping on hellthreads in the Bluesky Hills with only forty seven billion posts in my post account, and forty seven Lamborghinis in my Lamborghini account, and only forty seven PFP in my Bluesky account,


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

But you know what? Something happened that changed my life. I bumped into a Katie Tightkitty, and another Katie Tightkitty, and a few more Tightkittys. I found five Katie Tightkittys.

I don't call it posting anymore I call it skeeting.


Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):

You must have enough skeets. You must have enough Tightkittys. You must

CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PDSes

I'll see you on my website. It's a 60 second highly compressed video clip and you'll see there

absolutely nothing!

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:marseytrain: janny with a mop. :marseytrain: janny with a mop.

Granny panties and a dress. Granny panties and a dress.

6 foot 4 and a mugshot. 6 foot 4 and a mugshot.

Child abuse and no job. Child abuse and no job.

Living in mama's sunroom. Living in mama's sunroom.

Giant pale hands and lipstick. Giant pale hands and lipstick.

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