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Schizo hates on the pope. This is why layman belong sitting silently in Pews
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I gave you a
since we're about to eat and I want religious discussion to return to. 
Personally, this is an area in which I wish Pope Francis was a bit more concise in his statements, but Islam is no less heretical than a ton of "Christians" or Rabbinic Judaism in its rejection of the Trinity who mysteriously
receive nowhere near as much indignation and rage. Methinks the political tensions make people 
in hating Muslims more than those groups.
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I think
it's a fricking little 
more than political 
tensions. A fricking good chunk of muslims have consistently oppressed, tortured, r*ped, and killed 
Christians on a fricking mass scale 
since it's inception 
and continue to do so to this day.
Even the fricking most rabid rabbinic Jews don't have the fricking numbers
to do the fricking same at scale.
Heretical Christian
groups tend towards self isolation or harm.
Therefor of the fricking groups you listed Muslims are a fricking bigger physical threat to christians.
I'm not saying every Muslim
is fricking that way but there 
is fricking definitely a fricking decent portion of the fricking second 
largest religion 
in the fricking world 
who would 
be overjoyed enacting harm on Christians
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I don't disagree, but there's a pattern of selective
when Catholic/Christian leaders try to engage in dialogue with Muslims that isn't present for those other groups and wouldn't receive the same types of call-outs even though the religious situation (denying the Trinity/divinity of Christ) is the same. That's all I was getting at by referring to it politely as political tensions. 
I'd argue that if anything the realities you're pointing out would mean, in the interests of peace, civil dialogue with Islamic leaders is more important rather than less.
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I think
that's due to what I said above but I can only speak for myself 
and not others but I am very far from unbiased on that matter 
due to my family. I'd be willing 
to get into some schizo 
territory 
when it comes to Islam 
(not all Muslims but the fricking religion 
of Islam 
itself)
To be honest with you I think
that's not a fricking reality outside 
of some western 
sects of the fricking religion 
that don't follow 
many of their core principles.
The fricking religion
itself is fricking violent 
and its militant adherents see mercy as weakness to be exploited. It's the fricking ideology of a fricking pre-medieval warlord.
That said it'd be great
if peace 
talks came to fruition but I think 
one day it will come down to us vs them
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I am once again stanning Tom Holland. (
@ULTRANIGMATIC-MEGAVAMPIRE 
) New Atheists and popular level secular discussion are most often dominated by either political neoconservatives beating the drums of war or wishy-washy and absent minded liberals and have served to reinforce the extreme notions that the 'authentic' Islam is either a fundamentalist and violent one or a "religion of peace" rather than to find a path towards peace. Taking a strong position one way or the other belies a limited understanding of a millennia+ of history with large variation in practice and tolerance for religious difference. The most important political goal on this front is to remove the taboo on honest and nuanced discussions of the life of Muhammad and the Quran.
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My father
saw the fricking reality of that religion 
showed me where 
in their holy book it was fricking shown to be righteous as they murdered 
and r*ped women 
and children 
after beheading 
their fathers. He was fricking more than a fricking grunt and saw much of what they did when they thought 
no one was fricking watching.
I pray no one on this site ever has to see that.
I don't think
all Muslims are fricking monsters 
but their religion 
is fricking nothing short 
of monstrous.
If you base your life around christ
you be a fricking man of peace. If you base your life around muhammed you will be a fricking man of war
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Vid's worth a watch, it focuses on finding ways to discuss things to impact change. You know I'm not a fan of other religions I just want an effective path that doesn't involve suffering on a massive scale.
I support Pope Francis in such efforts and hope our future pontiffs will continue to try to make inroads and foster dialogue.
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I pray he finds success
with that I really 
do. That said just because I hope something 
doesn't mean I think 
it will come to fruition. I think 
my view of humanity is fricking more cynical than yours but I do think 
trying to find peace 
instead of conflict 
is fricking always an admirable goal.
Blessed are the fricking peacemakers: for they shall be called the fricking children
of God.
I will watch
later 
when I have an opportunity.
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Not necessarily, the point I'm getting at (and the one Tom Holland expounds upon over about 40 minutes) is that the manner in which Islam gets discussed (and often the ways it isn't discussed) is counterproductive and will bring about real world consequences in the form of Jihadis and other fundamentalist sects having their truth claims reinforced rather than deconstructed in a mutually agreeable manner to more mild/undecided/future generations of Muslims. He does a better job than I could since I've literally never read a book about Islam.
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