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Weekly Mass Discussion Thread #54

!catholics !christians Happy 24th Sunday of Ordinary Time!

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First Reading

The Lord GOD opens my ear that I may hear;

and I have not rebelled,

have not turned back.

I gave my back to those who beat me,

my cheeks to those who plucked my beard;

my face I did not shield

from buffets and spitting.

The Lord GOD is my help,

therefore I am not disgraced;

I have set my face like flint,

knowing that I shall not be put to shame.

He is near who upholds my right;

if anyone wishes to oppose me,

let us appear together.

Who disputes my right?

Let that man confront me.

See, the Lord GOD is my help;

who will prove me wrong?

-Isaiah 50:5-9a

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Responsorial Psalm

'R. (9) I will walk before the Lord, in the land of the living.

or:

R. Alleluia.

I love the LORD because he has heard

my voice in supplication,

because he has inclined his ear to me

the day I called.

R. I will walk before the Lord, in the land of the living.

or:

R. Alleluia.

The cords of death encompassed me;

the snares of the netherworld seized upon me;

I fell into distress and sorrow,

and I called upon the name of the LORD,

"O LORD, save my life!"

R. I will walk before the Lord, in the land of the living.

or:

R. Alleluia.

Gracious is the LORD and just;

yes, our God is merciful.

The LORD keeps the little ones;

I was brought low, and he saved me.

R. I will walk before the Lord, in the land of the living.

or:

R. Alleluia.

For he has freed my soul from death,

my eyes from tears, my feet from stumbling.

I shall walk before the Lord

in the land of the living.

R. I will walk before the Lord, in the land of the living.

or:

R. Alleluia.

-Psalms 116:1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 8-9

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Second Reading

What good is it, my brothers and sisters,

if someone says he has faith but does not have works?

Can that faith save him?

If a brother or sister has nothing to wear

and has no food for the day,

and one of you says to them,

"Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well, "

but you do not give them the necessities of the body,

what good is it?

So also faith of itself,

if it does not have works, is dead.

Indeed someone might say,

"You have faith and I have works."

Demonstrate your faith to me without works,

and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.

-James 2:14-18

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Alleluia

R. Alleluia, alleluia.

May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord

through which the world has been crucified to me and I to the world.

R. Alleluia, alleluia.

-Galatians 6:14

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Gospel

Jesus and his disciples set out

for the villages of Caesarea Philippi.

Along the way he asked his disciples,

"Who do people say that I am?"

They said in reply,

"John the Baptist, others Elijah,

still others one of the prophets."

And he asked them,

"But who do you say that I am?"

Peter said to him in reply,

"You are the Christ."

Then he warned them not to tell anyone about him.

He began to teach them

that the Son of Man must suffer greatly

and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes,

and be killed, and rise after three days.

He spoke this openly.

Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.

At this he turned around and, looking at his disciples,

rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind me, Satan.

You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do."

He summoned the crowd with his disciples and said to them,

"Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself,

take up his cross, and follow me.

For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it,

but whoever loses his life for my sake

and that of the gospel will save it."

-Mark 8:27-35

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"You are thinking not as God does, but has human beings do." Interesting line. Jesus' death playing out the way it did was necessary for Salvation, but I wonder, in what way? "the Son of Man must ... be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes." This is curious to me, because does that mean the Jewish establishment rejecting Jesus was theologically necessary for the New Covenant, or was it rather part of some deeper plan, that Jesus being a radical is what enabled the Gospel to reach a wider audience?

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Jesus' death playing out the way it did was necessary for Salvation, but I wonder, in what way?

I think that quote answers it itself- the unfortunate reality is that we are simply incapable of fully grasping God and understanding the purpose of his actions. From our limited perspective one could claim that there could've been infinitely many ways to bring about our salvation, but the fact is that it happened the way it did, and I doubt anyone can confidently claim to know why.

My take on it is that everything that we know happened did so in the most palatable and digestible form, so that the story of Jesus could be understood and related to by as many as possible. And I don't exclusively mean the people of Judea at the time, I mean all the people that have ever lived and will ever live.

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Our new priest was installed at an evening mass, although I was volunteering elsewhere in the diocese and missed it ;_;

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Isaiah 50:5-9

The Lord Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ has opened my ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away backward. I gave my back to the strikers, and my cheeks to those who plucked off the hair; I didn't hide my face from shame and spitting. For the Lord Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ will help me; therefore I have not been confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be disappointed. He is near who justifies me; who will bring charges against me? Let us stand up together: who is my adversary? Let him come near to me. Behold, the Lord Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ will help me; who is he who shall condemn me? Behold, all they shall wax old as a garment, the moth shall eat them up.

Psalms 116:1-2

I love Tʜᴇ Lᴏʀᴅ, because he listens to my voice, And my cries for mercy. Because he has turned his ear to me, Therefore I will call on him as long as I live.

James 2:14-18

What good is it, my brothers, if a man says he has faith, but has no works? Can faith save him? And if a brother or sister is naked and in lack of daily food, and one of you tells them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled;" and yet you didn't give them the things the body needs, what good is it? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead in itself. Yes, a man will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith.

Galatians 6:14

But far be it from me to boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

Mark 8:27-35

Jesus went out, with his disciples, into the villages of Caesarea Philippi. On the way he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that I am?" They told him, "John the Baptizer, and others say Elijah, but others: one of the prophets." He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered, "You are the Christ." He charged them that they should tell no one about him. He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. He spoke to them openly. Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. But he, turning around, and seeing his disciples, rebuked Peter, and said, "Get behind me, Satan! For you have in mind not the things of God, but the things of men." He called the multitude to himself with his disciples, and said to them, "Whoever wants to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it; and whoever will lose his life for my sake and the Gospel's will save it.

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"Virtues are formed by prayer. Prayer preserves temperance. Prayer suppresses anger. Prayer prevents emotions of pride and envy. Prayer draws into the soul the Holy Spirit, and raises man to Heaven." - Saint Ephrem the Syrian

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