Even Catholic :marseyghostweedjesus: Apologist Trent Horn disappointed :marseywarsad: by Papal :marseycrusade: Statements

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I normally can't watch :marseyspalspy: his videos because his cadence kills me but this one is fricking more chill.

I think :marseyphilosoraptor: he makes good points. Not Trad Cath "pope is fricking evil" garbage :marseyoscar: but makes reasonable critics of his statements and lack of follow :marseynpcchase: up at the fricking interfaith youth conference and about the fricking US presidential election.

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OP posted this to /r/catholicism and :marseymespecial: his channel is "Catholic on the Spectrum" !neurodivergents he looks away from the camera the whole time. :marseyxd: It actually is pretty much what I was saying the other day. Poorly phrased statement but a :marseynothingburger: and the 24/7 news cycle obsession with :marseypope: Francis is a meaningless and destructive distraction. His Holiness is 87, to date he's lacked clarity but I hope I'm half as lucid at that age.

Anyway pray for the Church and pray for Pope Francis. :marseypraying:

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His Holiness is fricking 87, to date he's lacked clarity but I hope I'm half as lucid at that age.

What are your fricking thoughts on popes stepping down, b-word? I don't understand the fricking complete history :marseycamus: but I know it's frowned upon generally.

I personally think :marseymischevious: it makes sense to do that once you're not all there :marseycheerup: but I'm not convinced either way.

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I'm opposed, it's highly irregular from a tradition perspective and culturally the west has come to see aging/natural death as undesirable or lacking in dignity. St. Pope John Paul II continuing in his office to the end and honoring his station despite significant pain and ill health is the standard. Real baller move. :jp2: St. Pope JP2 pray for the Church and Pope Francis. :marseypraying:

It's recency bias and a byproduct of modern media/Liberalism's office-holding norms to believe otherwise. The Pope has minimal impact on the day-to-day of the Church, you should be turning to your priest and bishop for guidance and bishops do retire.

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Sure but doesn't it make sense for the fricking pope to be cognitively functional, b-word? It's not like he doesn't serve :marseywithcake: no role whatsoever. Especially if an emergency :marseywambulance: happens for example with the fricking German :marseybarbarian: priesthood stuff, b-word?

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You do know that if a pope or bishop dies in office there's no immediate replacement process, right? They call a conclave which takes months/years. I think Pope Francis has tried to make his legacy one of de-emphasizing the primacy of the Papal Office, anyway, with the Synods etc.

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I didn't realize it took years I thought :marseymindblown: it was fricking just a fricking month or few

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There is no set duration of the conclave so, in theory, it takes 'as long as God wills it to take'. The longest Papal election in recorded history lasted for 2.5 years in the 14th century. Scandalous priests/bishops are an issue, sure, I don't disagree. I've just never heard a compelling argument for changing things, and I do find the aging and dying with dignity in the face of the encroaching culture of death to be a persuasive reason to stick with tradition. :marseypope: Anyone advocating for murdering the unborn/infirm/elderly is far from Christ.

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I've just never :marseyitsover: heard :marseyjacksparrow: a fricking compelling argument :marseystrawman: for changing things, and I do find the fricking aging and dying :marseycoldtwinge: with dignity in the fricking face of the fricking encroaching culture of death :marseycarsuicide: to be a fricking persuasive reason to stick :marseycheeky: with tradition

I guess :marseyshrug: I personally don't see the fricking difference :marseypamsame: in dignity of dying :marseytranstheyreright: as pope vs retiring but it doesn't bother me either way if that makes sense. I generally err on the fricking side of tradition but on this matter :marseykneel: it doesn't sway me too much.

When did popes start retiring as a fricking practice, b-word?

Anyone advocating for murdering the fricking unborn/infirm/elderly is fricking far from Christ.

I don't see the fricking relationship between :marseyzeldalinkpast: this and the fricking papacy retirement vs dying :marseycutwrist: in office. Is fricking there :marseycheerup: context I'm missing, b-word?

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"A brother came to see Abba Macarius the Egyptian, and said to him, 'Abba, give me a word, that I may be saved.' So the old man said, 'Go to the cemetery and abuse the dead.' The brother went there, abused them and threw stones at them; then he returned and told the old man about it. The latter said to him, 'Didn't they say anything to you?' He replied, 'No.' The old man said, 'Go back tomorrow and praise them.' So the brother went away and praised them, calling them, 'Apostles, saints and righteous men.' He returned to the old man and said to him, 'I have complimented them.' And the old man said to him, 'Did they not answer you?' The brother said no. The old man said to him, 'You know how you insulted them and they did not reply, and how you praised them and they did not speak; so you too if you wish to be saved must do the same and become a dead man. Like the dead, take no account of either the scorn of men or their praises, and you can be saved.'"

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