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...the true America, the Spanish America. Ruins, mendicants, racial degradation, the haphazard mixture of all kins of blood, vagabonds playing guitar... naked children, little savages running everywhere amongst dogs... All of it in an admirable state of Nature.
-- Gaston de Raousset-Boulbon
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This will be my second effortpost about a person, or rather a number of people. In honor of Trump's threats/hopes for a Panamanian misadventure and the pearl clutching it has inspired
Filibustering is a pretty esoteric topic so there aren't many relevant rDrama quotes to share. Instead I've decided to collect some overly dramatic dramatard musings on Trump's recent headliners in the hopes of starting drama in the comment section
This effortpost is dedicated to 19th century American filibustering in Latin America. It was a time before drones and carrier groups. A time before the DOD. A time where a young America, completely and entirely without the luxuries of a modern superpower, was still willing to just grab the boys and some rifles and have an adventure A time where we believed in our young republic enough to try and save the Spaniards from themselves and create,
THE GOLDVN CIRCLE
Filibustering
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Also known as freebooting, filibustering of the 19th century was a phenomenon in which mercenary groups operating under their own initiative invaded foreign countries in Latin America to bring them
into the light of civilization under American influence. These expeditions were not condoned or sponsored by the US government, but could theoretically have led to official recognition in the event of success, such as when William Walker's brief control of Nicaragua was recognized by President Franklin Pierce.
The word was derived from the Spanish filibustero, itself deriving originally from the Dutch vrijbuiter (pirate, @kaamrev
@duck discuss) originally used by the Spanish to describe the English pirates raiding their towns and shipping. Sir Francis Drake stands as one example as he, like Trump, also had an interest in Panama
He went as far as to raid it and other settlements along the Spanish Main.
As the eternal culture war between England and Spain has been inherited by their successor states, "filibustering" was revived in the early 19th century as a variety of mercenaries took up arms against Spanish colonial forces in Latin America and for a variety of reasons. Perhaps the beginning of it all occurred in 1806 when Francisco de Miranda, a Venezuelan who served in and was inspired by the American and French Revolutions, attempted to win early Venezuelan independence with an army including American volunteers recruited from New York. (And for that matter the later and more successful campaigns of Simon Bolivar and Jose de San Martin also made use of Protestant, English speaking volunteers) Further volunteer campaigns at the expense of Catholic Mediterraneanoids would go on to define the century.
In this post I shall list off some of the most dramatic of these individuals. I hope you guys like "Did you know"s Exampe: Did you know the modern term for congressional filibustering was named after the 19th century practice due to its independent, "free wheeling" nature?
William Walker
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Did You Know That: An American was (unofficially) the President of Nicaragua, Sonora, and Baja?
William Walker was a Nashvilloid who graduated summa c*m laude from the University of Nashville at the age of 14. At 19 he received a medical degree from the University of Pennsylvania, then continued his studies at Edinburgh, Scotland and Heidelberg, Baden-Württemberg. He practiced both medicine and law for a few years before becoming editor of the San Francisco Herald, where he fought three duels including a near fatal one against notorious Old West gunman William Hicks Graham. Inspired by how Texas had broken away from Mexico to join the Union, he decided one day he could potentially do the same with the Mexican state of Sonora
In other words going to college used to make you cool
In 1853, Walker and forty five men captured La Paz and declared it the new capital of "The Republic of Lower California". Mexican resistance prevented him from going any further, and he retreated back to California to be tried in violation of the Neutrality Act of 1794. In the era of Manifest Destiny, however, Walker's actions were popular and the jury took just eight minutes to acquit him
In 1854, a civil war erupted in Nicaragua, and Walker arrived in 1855 with a larger mercenary army in alleged support of Francisco Castellón's Democratic Party. Commanding Democratic locals as well as volunteers including future Confederate officers and European adventurers with veterancy in conflicts like the First Carlist War, Hungarian Revolution, and the Russo-Circassian War (I think it was just easier to meet people back then ) Walker's forces captured Granada and took effective control over the country. Walker's new administration was recognized at the time by 14th US President Franklin Pierce.
All of Central America united against one honky tonker? 
Walker's initial success alarmed the nations of Central America, and a coalition of Costa Rica, Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala ultimately came together to oppose him. They were further financed and supported by industrialist Cornelius Vanderbilt, as Walker had seized some of his ships and railroads in the region. (!americas have Napoleonic Wars at home ) Major moments include almost ten percent of Costa Rica's population dying from cholera and Guatemalan Colonel José Víctor Zavala becoming a national hero after stealing a flag from Walker's house
Pressure from hardworking Central Americans eventually forced Walker to flee the country with the US Navy. He returned to America and became a divisive figure; a pirate in the north, but a hero in the south who inspired the idea of increasing slave state political influence by potentially spreading !dixie control into the Spanish tropics.
In 1860 Walker tried to launch another expedition and made his way to Roatán, supposedly because British colonists there wanted help against the Honduran government. However, he was turned over to the British Navy. The British, like the of today, desired to build a canal through Central America and viewed Walker as a threat to their interests. They handed him over to Honduras where he was tried for piracy and fiibustering. In his defense he argued that piracy can't take place on land and that "filibustering" was a made up Spanish word
He was executed by firing squad
John A. Quitman
Like many other great southerners, John Quitman was a lawyer with a degree from Hartwick back when it was a Lutheran seminary. He owned several plantations and a dairy farm He generally thought relations between masters and slaves were "harmonious" because he was too busy serving in the Mississippi state government and fighting in Mexico to personally oversee any of his properites
Quitman was an officer during the Mexican-American War and his troops spearheaded the attack at the Battle of Chapultepec, an engagement memorialized to this day in the opening line of the Marine Corps Hymn (what @HailVictory1776 pretends to be
) Quitman received the surrender of the citadel in Mexico City and became military governor there for the duration of the occupation. He stands as the only American to rule from the National Palace
America could've acquired Cuba decades before the Spanish-American War?
While serving as Governor of Mississippi, Quitman was approached by yet another Venezuelan adventurer, Narciso López, to support an armed liberation of Cuba from Spanish rule. Quitman wished to complete his term in office but raised supplies and funds for the expedition.
Having failed to get direct American support (some of Lopez's other prospects for command included Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee) Lopez led the assault on Cuba himself. He stands as the creator of the modern Cuban flag and was the first to ever raise it He was ultimately defeated and executed. Ironically he went down as both a Cuban national and dixie southerner hero as he never clarified whether he wanted full Cuban independence or an American annexation.
Quitman was prosecuted for violating the Neutrality Act and had to resign as governor, but escaped punishment thanks to multiple hung juries So close to the American civil war, filibustering had evolved into yet another polarizing conflict between the north and south. Walker's instatement of slavery in Nicaragua led to an epiphany among southerners, realizing that conquest in the south would allow for the spread of slavery; new lands to own, new crops to grow, new votes for slave states in the federal government, etc. Control of Cuba was especially desirable since the island already had developed plantation infrastructure. Lastly, the annexation of Texas had already "proven" how Anglo settlers could win land from the Spaniard barbarians and add it to the Union as slave holding territory
Apparently quite inspired by Lopez's actions, Quitman attempted to organize his own filibustering invasion of Cuba. He had thousands of volunteers ready to go when in 1854 the Pierce administration, previously willing to look the other way, urged him to call it off. As the country was now within a decade of the Civil War, perhaps it was believed such a major undertaking to add so much slave holding territory would have been too upsetting to the northern Democrat's position and too much of a provocation towards the free states.
Other Filibusterers
There were filibusterers among the Founding Fathers?
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Backing up a bit, some 18th century attempts at expansionism can be considered filibustering. The difference is whether the activities were successful or not i.e. the Louisiana Purchase wasn't considered filibustering because it was entirely official
William Blount was a landowner, politician, and Revolutionary War founding father who negotiated the 1791 Treaty of Holston against sphereserf's people An aggressive land speculator, Blount fell into heavy debt and secretly conspired to help the British take control of Louisiana and Florida, both controlled at the time by Spain, in exchange for good land deals
The plan called for American territorial militias, with the aid of the British Royal Navy, to launch attacks across Spanish territory. The plot was found out and Blount became the first ever federal official to face impeachment.
Another example of the period that also involved Florida, Congressman and Governor of Georgia George Mathews' political career was ruined by the Yazoo Land Fraud and he relocated to the Mississippi Territory. Eager to regain prominence, Mathews suggested to President James Madison that Spanish western Florida could be annexed, and he was sent as a secret agent with "remarkably vague and general" instructions to incite rebellion among the Spanish populace.
Mathews was unable to take the territory peacefully and so raised an army of Georgians and locals to seize Fernandina Beach and Amelia Island. Madison grew skittish and suddenly refused to support Mathews' acquisitions, and he died from fever while traveling to DC to complain. Historians remain unsure whether Mathews was acting within Madison's mandate or not.
There were NCR Rangers in real life? 
A veteran of the Mexican war, Joseph C. Morehead was most known for leading a Californian militia in the Gila Expedition to attack the Quecha people The State of California was nearly bankrupted by the $120,000 cost of the Expedition, which killed no Indians
He is said to have filibustered in Mexico in the 1850's, and a second time in the 60's while serving in the Confederate army. He did not succeed and died in 1863.
Mexicans once drank gringo head wine?
Henry A. Crabb was a US soldier, a member of the California state senate, a leader of the Whig Party, and an unsuccessful candidate for the Know Nothing Party in 1857. After losing in California politics, he organized an expedition to support to aid the Liberal rebels in Mexico's ongoing Reform War. Like Walker before him he targeted the state of Sonora but was defeated and captured. He and the other survivors were massacred, and a Mississippi newspaper would claim the Mexicans preserved his head in spirits of wine before sending it to Mexico City.
Filibusterers were part of Texan independence? 
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The independence and annexation of Texas into the Union can, as a whole, be seen as a successful act of filibustering. It would heavily inspire further attempts at increasing southern slave holding territory.
More specifically, West Point graduate Augustus Magee participated in filibustering way back in 1812 by joining Bernardo Gutiérrez de Lara's Mexican independence movement with an army of American frontiersman and French creoles The Gutiérrez–Magee Expedition served as an early example of American interests in the region, though ironically it was fighting on behalf of and to help create Mexico.
War of 1812 veteran and US army surgeon James Long was one of many southern settlers who disagreed with the United States/New Spain border agreed upon by the Adams–Onís Treaty, and in 1819 the Long Expedition captured Nacogdoches to proclaim an early "Republic of Texas". He was ultimately defeated, sent to Mexico City to present his case to Mexico's president, and was shot and killed by a guard
From a Mexican perspective, the actual Texan Revolution of 1835 was part of a larger crisis in which several Mexican territories challenged the central government for one reason or another . A particularly ironic one involved José de Urrea, a Mexican officer and the perpetuator of the Goliad Massacre against the Texians, himself turning on Mexico's central government from a base of power in Sonora (Apparently that state is cursed lmao )
After winning independence, the newborn Texan government supported the Republic of Yucatán's conflict with Mexico through naval forces and fought a number of battles in the Gulf (of America ) to support the Mayanoid's own independence. The Republic of Texas also sent a few boats to support the Tabasco Rebellion in 1839. Texas did not, however, support the Republic of the Rio Grande due to border disputes.
Decades later, some filibuster-maxxers would support the idea of Cuban annexation by saying it could become as important to the south as Texas had become.
Some Americans genuinely fought for local independence?
Not all filibusterers were fighting to literally spread the United States. Some genuinely believed in the ideological importance of independent republics, while others simply had no local American wars to earn their fame in. Americans participated in a number of Latin American local conflicts over the time period.
Son-in-law of John Adams and brother-in-law of John Quincy Adams, William Stephens Smith was convinced to support Francisco de Miranda's attempt at Venezuelan independence with a force of 200 men, including his own son William Steuben. Though he created Venezuela's modern flag and was an inspiration for Simon Bolivar, Miranda's army was defeated and Smith was tried for violating the Neutrality Act. He argued that President Thomas Jefferson had ordered him to do it, leading to a US Supreme Court decision that a president cannot order someone to violate the law.
In the post Civil War era, William A.C. Ryan was a Canadian born Union veteran who was dishonorably discharged from the army and barred from all veteran benefits. He went on to participate in the Ten Years' War, Cuba's first serious struggle for independence. He fought under the mambises and served on American ships that contributed to the cause.
The Spanish navy eventually went after these ships, and Ryans was captured by a torpedo boat while on the ill-fated Virginius. The Spanish executed him and a few dozen others as pirates before the British intervened. The Virginius Affair was a major provocation between the US and Spain and led to a modernization and expansion of the US Navy. Meanwhile, the participation of American filibusterers throughout demonstrates a sort of continuity between antebellum filibustering traditions and the expansionism of the later 19th century.
I sympathize with the Cubans in their gallant efforts on behalf of liberty and I, being an American, feel it necessary to do what I can to separate entirely this continent from Europe.
-- William A. Chanler
Going into the 20th century, William A. Chanler was a soldier and explorer who served as a US Representative from New York. Believing it was an American's obligation to support independence from colonial powers across the world His Americas activities included participation in the Spanish-American War and a 1902 insurrection in Venezuela. Approached by a group of Dutch
investors to stage a rebellion against President Cipriano Castro, Chanler bookended the era by raising an army of "desperadoes, soldiers of fortune, cattle rustlers, bank robbers, gamblers, Indian scouts and fugitives", with some hailing from the pro-Confederate Quantrill's Raiders and others rustled up by his acquaintance Butch Cassidy
Chanler's army landed in Venezuela and marched inland, calling off the attack only after Castro acceded to demands and ended the crisis. The investors rewarded Chanler by letting him borrow money
, and he used it to build infrastructure in Tampico, Mexico and fund rebellious activity in Libya and Somalia. (At one point he even entertained Chinese revolutionary Sun Yat-sen and members of the Young Turks aboard his yacht)
It wasn't just America that hated Spaniards? 
I shake the hands of the white libertarians, heirs of Lincoln and of the black and white peasant boys of the USA, before whose graves I cried and prayed on a battlefield, which I reached, after walking the mountains of Italian Tuscany and after being saved from Covid. They are the USA and before them I kneel, before no one else. Overthrow me, President, and the Americas and humanity will respond. Colombia now stops looking north, looks at the world, our blood comes from the blood of the Caliphate of Córdoba, the civilization at that time, of the Roman Latins of the Mediterranean, the civilization of that time, who founded the republic, democracy in Athens; our blood has the black resisters turned into slaves by you. In Colombia is the first free territory of America, before Washington, of all America, there I take refuge in its African songs. My land is of goldsmithing existing in the time of the Egyptian pharaohs, and of the first artists of the world in Chiribiquete. You will never dominate us. The warrior who rode our lands, shouting freedom and who is called Bolívar opposes us.
-- Colombian President Gustavo Petro
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The aforementioned Narciso Lopez was just as prominent a filibusterer as Walker and Quitman, though not really an American one. A Venezuelan who went from Spanish army to Cuban nationalist, Lopez actually fought as a conscript for the Spanish government against the revolutionary forces of Bolivar and retreated to Cuba following Spain's total defeat in South America. Lopez stayed in the army and became an officer, even fighting in the Carlist War within Spain proper. He became an assistant to the Capitan General of Cuba but was financially ruined after that position changed hands, causing him to side with Cuban partisans (out of spite? )
Lopez travelled to the United States and became an unlikely dixie hero by appealing to filibusterers at the height of the practice's popularity. Lopez joined the Freemasons, won funding from a variety of plantation owners and army officers, and used the money to amass an army of Cuban exiles for an invasion. He was defeated and executed by the Spanish.
Funnily enough, Lopez went down as both a Cuban national hero and a champion of American southern expansion. Having lost, he never had to clarify whether he intended for a new southern state or an independent republic.
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Gaston de Raousset-Boulbon was a French entrepreneur/pirate who served in France's gradual conquest of Algeria. Frustrated by the Revolution of 1848, he made his way to America and tried to make his fortune as a gold prospector. Already worried about the fading importance of the old nobility in France, he was especially annoyed that the people of San Francisco didn't respect his title of Count. (They were too busy with Emperor Norton)
Like so many others, Raousset-Boulbon decided to invade -- get this, Sonora -- and create a French aligned independent republic. He was defeated by Mexican forces under José María Yáñez, a veteran of the Pastry War against France who would also thwart William Walker's attack, and executed.
He was only a few years early, as the actual French government would come for Mexico in 1861. Raousset-Boulbon's remains were eventually found by French soldiers and returned to Europe.
Gregor MacGregor was a but Scottish who served as an officer in the Peninsular War against Napoleon. He fought as a filibusterer in Venezuela's war of independence and spent the next several years operating against Spain on behalf of them and Gran Columbia. He even briefly captured Amelia Island to create the short lived "Republic of the Floridas"
After suffering several defeats, MacGregor returned to Britain and became one of the most infamous conmen in history. He claimed to have created a colony in Honduras, "Poyais", that he ruled as Cacique. Claiming it was a well developed British colony, he sold fictitious government bonds and land certificates. Hundreds of people immigrated there to find an untouched strip of jungle, and only about fifty returned alive to Britain
Exposed as a fraud, MacGregor travelled to France and tried the same scheme there. Only some of his associates were convicted and he escaped to London to try smaller versions of yet the same scheme. He stayed until his wife died, then returned to Venezuela to be hailed as a hero
America could have saved the entire VVEST?
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Though filibustering took many forms over the years, it is perhaps most closely associated with the antebellum south. Walker's actions inspired many southerners to plot the annexation of new lands as slave holding states. In an era where northern and southern interests heavily conflicted and the admission of every new state was a political crisis in miniature, slavery supporters hoped the conquest of the old Spanish Main would give the south permanent domination in federal representation.
To that end, the Knights of the GVLDEN CIRCLE formed in 1854 as a secret society to create slave holding, American dominated republics-annexed-as-states (like how Texas had been) around a nova mare nostrum in the Caribbean. In other words, the Gulf of America before it was cool
In response to the Dred Scott decision of 1857, the increasingly extremists southerners began to advocate for full scale independence from the federal government. To this end, the Golden Circle would have become a single new country centered around Havana. Potential further conquests in South America and the Union aligned northeast and west were also discussed.
When the Civil War broke out, the GOLDEN CVRCLE more or less merged with Confederate interests and many of its members participated in the war. A radical paramilitary group called the Sons of Liberty were linked to guerilla activities in Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, and Illinois and several members were executed as spies.
The Golden Circle's fate became one with the Confederacy itself and came to an obvious end following the Civil War. That said, had the Confederacy won, it may very well have adopted the order's ideas for its long-term foreign policy,
And the people of modern Panama could be watching the Chiefs-Eagles game with a Miller Lite in hand just like us non-Spaniards right now as part of the GVLDVN CVRCLV
There were many reasons for Filibustering?
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Besides that association with slavery, filibustering was also inspired by a simple desire for new lands. Filibusterers saw themselves as champions of America's "Manifest Destiny". The Texan Revolution in particular proved you truly could fill a Cathloid land with Anglo settlers and gradually transform it into a red-blooded All American good-ol'-boydom Even some of the revolutionaries of the Latin American republics were inspired by that concept to pursue their own goals against European colonialism, with Narciso Lopez having even met John L. O'Sullivan, the journoid
who famously coined the term.
In the smaller, more personal scale, filibustering offered individuals the chance to have a grand old, drunken adventure and earn their glory with the boys It appealed to a sense of "martial manhood", especially for those just outside of the proper age ranges for the famous 19th century conflicts; War of 1812, Mexican-American War, Civil War, etc. The practice also offered cash flow for mercenaries and former military veterans whose careers had stalled or become ruined outright for one reason or another.
Lastly, some Americans genuinely believed in the importance of opposing tyranny and helping all of the New World to achieve total independence from the Old Thousands of Americans fought and died over the century under Latin American banners and for revolutionary conflicts entirely foreign to the US. Non-American examples of that also include Texans who fought to assist the Republic of the Yucatán and the British volunteers fighting under Simon Bolivar and Jose de San Martin.
Filibustering was never supported by Presidents not named Madison or Pierce and gradually declined into the 20th century. Of course, official American expansionism was still alive and well and the country's rising power soon saw new annexations. It is perhaps fitting that the era is bookended with the Spanish-American War and the seizure of the last of Spain's imperial, New World holdings.
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Reminder that 1 in 3 whites are born with a tail.
Reminder that whites evolved from monkeys only 3000 years ago and share 99.9% of their DNA with monkeys.
Reminder that libertarianism is still legal in most white European countries.
List of Black inventions:
computer
scientific method/process
modern medicine
automobile
photograph
guitar/harp
air plane
xbox
wind energy
theater/plays
cell phone
speed boat
MRI scan
television/movies
basketball
defibrillator machine
bridges
space ship
telescope/microscope
piano
List of white inventions:
atomic bomb
automatic rifle
grenade
crack cocaine
child pornography
tank
machine gun
ice hockey
methamphetamine
napalm
numerous medieval torture devices
homosexuality
heroin
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In 1978, 15-year-old Mary Vincent, a runaway from Las Vegas, was hitchhiking in California when she accepted a ride from 50-year-old Lawrence Singleton on September 29. Singleton raped her, severed both of her forearms with a hatchet, and threw her off a 30-foot cliff into a…
— F🔥 V🔥 (@FredrikWiktorss) February 20, 2025
In 1978, 15-year-old Mary Vincent, a runaway from Las Vegas, was hitchhiking in California when she accepted a ride from 50-year-old Lawrence Singleton on September 29. Singleton r*ped her, severed both of her forearms with a hatchet, and threw her off a 30-foot cliff into a culvert in Del Puerto Canyon, leaving her to die. Despite her horrific injuries, Mary managed to climb back up the embankment, pack her wounds with mud to slow the bleeding, and walk nearly three miles naked to find help. She was discovered by a passing couple who took her to a hospital, where she survived after losing half her blood. Mary provided a detailed description of Singleton, leading to his arrest and conviction. He was sentenced to 14 years in prison—the maximum allowed at the time—but served only eight years before being paroled in 1987. Later, in 1997, Singleton murdered another woman, Roxanne Hayes, in Florida, and Mary testified against him again, contributing to his death sentence. He died of cancer in prison in 2001. Mary's survival and resilience led to changes in California law, including the "Singleton Bill," which mandates a minimum 25-year sentence for crimes involving torture. She later became an artist and victims' advocate, living with prosthetic arms she customized herself.
In 1978, 15-year-old Mary Vincent was r*ped, had her arms cut off, and was thrown off a 30-foot cliff.
— Massimo (@Rainmaker1973) February 20, 2025
Barely alive, she packed her stumps with mud to stop the bleeding, climbed back up, and walked three miles naked to find help.
She began using prosthetic arms within two… pic.twitter.com/1RCXdripGl
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British cavalry in the 1850s consisted entirely of twinks who used UwU-speak pic.twitter.com/ceaI62Rndf
— Veles (@keyofgeo) February 20, 2025
trans lives matter especially if leading a mounted charge
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Fun fact: David Bowie did not, in fact, have heterochromia from birth. One of his irises was permanently dilated, giving the impression that it was a different color, due to an injury suffered as a teenager during a fight with his friend and 1960's bandmate George Underwood over a girl. The band was called "Davie Jones and the King Bees" and George was the lead guitarist. He was also a Beta orbiter around some chick and he, stupidly, introduced her to the band's singer David Jones (Bowie's real name- he had to change it so as not to be confused with Davy Jones from the Monkees). That very night Diamond Dave fricked this girl very loudly in the room above where George was sleeping. George, who has assumed that nice girls didn't do such things, seethed all night and punched David when he came downstairs the next day.
There's a lesson here for all of us.
David Bowie- surprisingly heterosexual
- haggis : libertarianism apologism
- Salvadore_Ally_Chud : sneed. Some of your westoid great grandparents married their wives at 14. Stop rewriting history.
- X : libertarian apologia no trans lives matter
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I have seen this stupid fricking factoid come up every single time people are trying to make fun of libertarians ( which I am okay with ), but the factoid in and of itself is complete useless fricking bullshit and I know this for a fact.
Look at every single "backwards" 3rd world nation in the world and well into the 20th century most of them were marrying off their daughters at 13 or 14 or 15 years of age whenever there was an opportunity for the right price and status. Somehow. SOMEHOW! You want me to believe that WHITISTAN is the only place in the world which when it was living primarily on agriculture, and even centuries before there was any official attempt to have a legal age of consent for the world, with 3rd world tier quality of life, was somehow having parents go, yes I will wait for my kid to grow till they are 20 years old before marrying them off because we all know by 21st century standards that is the right time to marry them off, IS COMPLETE FRICKING BULLSHIT!
You would need a society so exceptional for that in their behavior and ideology that it does not match a single other society on the planet. STUPID R-SLURRED REDDIT FRICKS look at a case of some princess getting married off at 20 or some shit and go looookkk they knew what an adult age of consent was are those people fricking retarrded yes they fricking are THIS IS REWRITING HISTORY LIVE to match some contemporary bullshit moral ideals that pisses me the frick off.
EVERY FRICKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHEN IT WAS LIVING LIKE POOR PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CASES OF SELLING THEIR DAUGHTERS OFF BEFORE They were 18 because age of consent is itself a modern contemporary concept!!
YOU DON"T SEE ANY OF THE CRUSADE ERA LITERATURE CALLING OUT MOHAMMAD FOR hAVING S*X WITH A TEENAGER!!! THEY LITERALLY CONSIDERED MUSLIMS TO BE DEMON WORSHIPPERS OR EQUIVALENT THEY WOULD HAVE GONE AFTER MOHAMMAD TO SLANder HIM WITh thAT if THEY ACTuALLY BELIEVED IN AN 18+ AGE OF CONSENT IN THOSE TIME PERIODS!!!!
THE CONCEPT OF TEENAGERS WASN'T EVEN A REAL COMMON THING UNTIL THE 20TH CENTURY!!!!!!
FRICKING REDDITORS! FRICKING REWRITING HISTORY TO MATCH MODERN VALUES BULLSHIT! FRICKING R-SLURS EVERYWHERE ONLINE!!!
I dislike liars and especially condescending moralist liars.
Conclusion:
Stop rewriting history to match your current day moral values. It is bullshit and ruins everybody's day.
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The Order of the Star in the East (OSE) was an international organization based at Benares (Varanasi), India from 1911 to 1927. It was established by the leadership of the Theosophical Society at Adyar, Madras (Chennai) to prepare the world for the arrival of a reputed messianic entity, the World Teacher or Maitreya.
The Theosophical Society is the organizational body of Theosophy, an esoteric new religious movement. It was founded in New York City, U.S. in 1875. Among its founders were Helena Blavatsky, a Russian mystic and the principal thinker of the Theosophy movement, and Henry Steel Olcott, the society's first president. It draws upon a wide array of influences among them older European philosophies and movements such as Neoplatonism and occultism, as well as parts of Asian religious traditions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam
As are the people, so are their cults
The OSE acquired members worldwide as it expanded in many countries; a third of its diverse membership c. 1926 was unaffiliated with the Theosophical Society. The precursor of the OSE was the Order of the Rising Sun (1910–11, also at Benares) and the successor was the Order of the Star (1927–29, based at Ommen, the Netherlands).
The precursor organization was formed after leading Theosophists discovered a likely candidate for the new messiah in the then–adolescent Jiddu Krishnamurti (1895–1986), a South Indian Brahmin who was installed as Head of the Order. Almost two decades later Krishnamurti rejected the messianic role, repudiated the Order's mission and in 1929 disbanded the OSE's successor. The founding and activities of these organizations as well as the largely unexpected dissolution of the OSE's successor, attracted widespread media attention and public interest.
According to this view, Humankind's evolution on Earth (and beyond) is part of the Cosmic evolution. It is reputedly overseen by a hidden hierarchy, the Masters of the Ancient Wisdom, whose upper ranks consist of advanced spiritual beings. Blavatsky stated she was in contact with members of the reputed hierarchy; she described the Theosophical Society as one of the hierarchy's many attempts (or "impulses") through the millennia, to guide Humanity – in concert with the intelligent evolutionary scheme – to its ultimate, immutable objective: the attainment of perfection and the conscious participation in the evolutionary process.[3] These attempts may require an Earth-based infrastructure (such as the Theosophical Society) to pave the way for the hierarchy's physically appearing emissaries, "the torch-bearer[s] of Truth".[4] The mission of these reputedly regularly appearing emissaries is to practically translate, in a way and language understood by contemporary humanity, knowledge that would help it reach a higher evolutionary stage.
Annie Besant, another well-known and influential British Theosophist (and eventual close associate of Leadbeater's), had also developed an interest on the advent of the next emissary from the spiritual hierarchy.[7] During the 1890s and 1900s she became progressively convinced, along with Leadbeater and others, that this advent would happen sooner than Blavatsky's proposed timetable.[8][7] They came to believe it would involve the imminent reappearance of Maitreya as World Teacher, a monumental event in the Theosophical worldview.[9] However, not all Theosophical Society members accepted Leadbeater's and Besant's ideas on the matter; the dissidents charged them with straying from Theosophical orthodoxy and along with other concepts developed by the two, their elaborations on the Theosophical Maitreya were derisively labelled Neo-Theosophy by their opponents.
Besant became President of the Theosophical Society in 1907,[11] adding considerable weight to the belief of Maitreya's impending manifestation; this eventually became a commonly held expectation among Theosophists.[12] She had started commenting on the possibly imminent arrival of the next emissary as early as 1896; by 1909 the proclaimed "coming Teacher" was a main topic of her lectures and writings.
Annie Besant was a schizo
Sometime between late April and late May 1909, at the private beach of the Theosophical Society Headquarters in Adyar, Madras (Chennai), Leadbeater encountered Jiddu Krishnamurti, a fourteen-year-old South Indian Brahmin.[15] At the time Jiddu Narayaniah, Krishnamurti's father and longtime Theosophist, was employed by the Society; the family, in poor condition, lived next to the compound. Leadbeater was a controversial figure whose knowledge on occult matters was highly respected by the Society's leadership.[16] He was at the time looking for suitable candidates as possible vehicles for the World Teacher, and came to believe young Krishnamurti – who was not the first or only candidate – was the most promising, despite the boy's reputedly dull personality and lackluster intellect.
He's literally me.
Following the "discovery" Leadbeater began occult examinations of Krishnamurti, to whom he had assigned the pseudonym Alcyone – the name of a star in the Pleiades star cluster and of characters from Greek mythology.[21] Leadbeater's belief regarding the boy's suitability was strengthened by his clairvoyance-aided investigations of Krishnamurti's reputed past and future lives. Records of these investigations were published in Theosophical magazines starting April 1910, and in a book in 1913.[22] They were widely discussed within the Society as according to Leadbeater, contemporary Theosophists were involved in various "lives of Alcyone". Such reputed involvement became a matter of status and prestige among Theosophists; it also contributed to factionalism within the Society.[23] In the meantime, Krishnamurti was put on a comprehensive multi-year regimen of physical, intellectual, social and spiritual training in preparation for his probable future role.
That sounds bothersome. I'd prefer to just laze around tbh won't these higher ones just send whatever info needed to my brain when necessary?
In April 1911 Besant founded the Order of the Star in the East (OSE) based again at Benares, which replaced the Order of the Rising Sun. It was named after the Star of Bethlehem, signifying the proclaimed approach of the new manifestation of Christ-Maitreya.[31] The top positions of the organization were filled: "Mrs Besant and Leadbeater were made Protectors of the new Order of which Krishna [Jiddu Krishnamurti] was the Head, Arundale Private Secretary to the Head, and Wodehouse Organising Secretary".[32] News regarding Krishnamurti, the Order and its mission received widespread publicity and worldwide press coverage; the publicity may have been at least partly driven by aspects of the era's prevailing fin de siècle mood
On 28 December 1911, during a ceremony officiated by Krishnamurti at the close of the annual Theosophical Convention (held that year at Benares), those present were said to be suddenly overwhelmed by a strange feeling of "tremendous power", which seemed to be flowing through Krishnamurti. In Leadbeater's description, "it reminded one irresistibly of the rushing, mighty wind, and the outpouring of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost. The tension was enormous, and every one in the room was most powerfully affected." The next day, at a meeting of the Esoteric Section, Besant for the first time stated that it was clear Krishnamurti was the required vehicle. Thereafter, 28 December became a "sacred day" for the Order.[46]
In 1912 Krishnamurti's father sued Besant to revoke her guardianship of his sons, which he had previously granted. Among the reasons stated in Narayaniah's deposition was his objection to the deification of Krishnamurti, said to have been caused by Besant's "announcement that he was to be the Lord Christ, with the result that a number of respectable persons had prostrated before him." Besant eventually won the case on appeal.
Must have been a fun day for the
By year-end 1925 expectations regarding the Coming, and related activities of prominent Theosophists and their factions were reaching a climax. Extraordinary pronouncements of accelerated spiritual advancement were being made by various parties, privately disputed by others, and there were insinuations of jockeying for position. Ranking members of the Order and the Society had publicly declared they were chosen as apostles of the new Messiah. The escalating claims of spiritual success and the internal (and hidden from the public) Theosophical politics alienated the increasingly disillusioned Krishnamurti. His commitment and enthusiasm had been uneven since the Order's early days; in private he had occasionally expressed doubts about his presumed mission and discomfort with the adulation of the Order's members.[59] He refused to recognize anyone as his disciple or apostle.[60] In the meantime World Teacher-related spinoff projects proliferated: in August 1925 the establishment of a "World Religion" and a "World University" were announced by the Theosophical leadership. Both of them were later "quietly shelved"
At the opening an event occurred that was reminiscent of the reputed incident on the same day of 1911. Krishnamurti was giving a speech about the World Teacher and the significance of his coming, when "a dramatic change" took place: his voice suddenly altered and he switched to first person, saying "I come for those who want sympathy, who want happiness, who are longing to be released, who are longing to find happiness in all things. I come to reform and not to tear down, I come not to destroy but to build." For many in the audience who noticed, it was a "spine-tingling" revelation, "felt ... instantly and independently" – confirmation, in their view, that the manifestation of the Lord Maitreya through his chosen vehicle had begun.
Finally on 3 August 1929, at the Ommen Star Camp, he disbanded the Order in front of Besant and about 3,000 members.[76][77] In his speech dissolving the organization (also broadcast on Dutch radio),[78] Krishnamurti said:
I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path.
Despite the changes in Krishnamurti's outlook and pronouncements during the preceding years (and more recent rumors of impending dissolution),[80] the ending of the Order and its mission shocked many of its supporters. Prominent Theosophists openly or under various guises turned against Krishnamurti – including Leadbeater, who reputedly stated, "the Coming has gone wrong".
Besant however remained convinced that Krishnamurti was the World Teacher until the end of her life, while other Theosophical Society members supported his new direction and opposed the critical views expressed by Theosophical leaders.
I say I'm not the messiah sent to save humanity
No you are
Krishnamurti returned to the donors estates, property and funds that had been given to the Order in its various incarnations.[89] He spent the rest of his life promoting his post-Theosophical message around the world as an independent speaker and writer. He became widely known as an original, influential thinker on philosophical, psychological, and religious subjects
Just seize the bag and run king. Wtf are you returning shekels to mayos for?
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!historychads !anticommunists this was a few days after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan began