On August 9th 1945 Nagasaki got dusted :marseyjapgenocide: :itsoverjapanese: by a Fat Man :marseyscooter: :marseysaluteusa: :marseymacarthur:

!historychads pic related was taken 15 minutes after the nuke detonated.

It was dropped by the B-29 Bockscar, commanded by USAAF captain Frederick C. Bock

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17232461429846575.webp

Here's a pic of Fat Man, it was an implosion type weapon and carried plutonium was fissile material.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17232461431064222.webp

The chonker responsible for anime :#marseychonker2: :#marseychungus:

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To begin with, they were murdering people every day in China on Holocaust levels. This guy saved more lives than anyone else in history.

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unironically reading what the japanese did to the chinese in ww2 made me realize that two bombs wasn't enough

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It really is unreal how evil they were. During the liberation of the Philippines, 10,000 jap Marines basically deserted to hole up in manilla and massacre 100,000 civilians before it was recaptured. They would do things like lock civilians in hospitals and blow them up. It's not even like this was a top down thing, they wanted to tape and murder so badly.

"Violent mutilations, r*pes, and massacres occurred in schools, hospitals and convents"

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@Corinthian I'm sure your wife's family are big fans of the Nips

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:marseyfamily: My maternal grandpappy was a marine under MacArthur over here in the Philippines and in Okinawa during the war. I shared some pics last year. !Pinoypride

While I still think targeting civilians is an intrinsically evil act, neither my family or the in-laws have ever spoken positively about the Japs. :marseyembrace:

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Omnicidal anti-human demon worshippers burned away in atomic fire :marseyshrug:

My grandfather was a Marine during WW2 as well. He never ate rice after that until the day he died of melanoma, and he would celebrate VJ day every year with a tall glass of scotch neat

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When mine returned he continued to love SOS "shit on a shingle" (creamed chip beef in cream on toast) and Vienna sausages for the rest of his life, and got a real kick out of introducing the grandkids to those WW2 MRE staples and seeing us actually enjoy them. :marseywholesome:

If the bombs had targeted military sites I wouldn't have mixed feelings, but it's tribalism rather than consistent morality to condemn Nazi/Jap atrocities and excuse Allied ones. We didn't even issue the standard warning period like in other firebombing campaigns.

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It was a global total war with ongoing industrial scale genocide. Each day it dragged on was condemning at minimum thousands more to die daily. In that scenario the civilian populace of the perpetrating nations were legitimate and proportionate military targets.

It's my heresy, and you're not going to change my mind on this one :marseyburn:

I also find Peter 2:18 objectionable if you want a fun one. New age translations will make it nicer by replacing slave with servant :marseyselfimmolation:

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I just get depressed discussing this and nobody here is in a position of military/governmental importance for it to matter so I'll give it one response and bow out, but since you're Catholic I'll start by saying that "the ends justify the means" has never and will never be a permissible view within the Church, and the Vatican denounced the bombings immediately and again during V2/in current subsequent editions of the Catechism.

Numerous generals and military officials refute the dominant narrative that the bombings were necessary to end the war, and given the Allied nations' reluctance to intervene whatsoever in the Holocaust it's questionable if they were particularly motivated by protecting Chinese lives, either.

The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan.

— Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet

The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons ... The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.

— Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman, 1950

The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.

— Major General Curtis LeMay, XXI Bomber Command, September 1945 (the man in charge of air operations in Japan)

The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment ... It was a mistake to ever drop it ... [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it.

— Fleet Admiral William Halsey Jr., 1946

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The Battle of Manila should never have happened, to begin with, but Yamashita's r-slurred Nip subordinate disobeyed orders to vacate the city and dug in. Thus, Manila became the second most destroyed city in the war, after Warsaw, and Yamashita got the rope.

Because of that alone, LeMay should have authorized atomic blanketing of the entire Japanese archipelago and allowed the gooks and chinks to rampage after the clouds have dissipated for Total Jap Death

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I'm an unironic weaboo (tho I don't watch anime), I love Japan. But I also know those motherlovers deserved every kiloton and a whole lot more.

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Japan is great post-American subjagation.

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In retrospect, what if instead we'd let them kill more Chinese in order to ensure a future with no anime AND a capitalist China? :marseyhmm:

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One of the real big what ifs in history is what if Japan had been beaten before the huge offensive in 1944 that pretty much destroyed the KMT. If it wasn't for that, China would have never gone commie and they'd probably be making movies that aren't total shit now. Or was it Zhang Yimou's horrible experiences in the Cultural Revolution that made him creative? :marseyhmmm:

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movies that aren't total shit

I liked Hero :marseyraging:

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Made by Zhang Yimou. Good movie but I prefer his earlier works like The Story of Qiu Ju. :marseycool2:

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What the frick happened to Asia? Theirs just not any good movies from them anymore. They should've had so much going for them.

I want to see more movies about Asians being really good at being Asian.

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Mainland Chinese movies all have some kind of pro-china message, which really stifles creativity / universal appeal imo. Still, there are a few good directors like Zhang Yimou

Taiwan and HK movies are great (imo) but they have very low budgets. South Korea has some good ones, and they're ruthless capitalists so the production value is typically pretty good. And Japan, obviously, has some decent stuff, mostly anime.

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I thought the mainland had a large population. How do you have a low budget movie industry? Did they give your tax money to the moon probe or w/e they're sending up there?

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The mainland has decent budgets but they're all dedicated to wolf warrior or ancient Chinese history movie #81, and they're very niche from a global market perspective.

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Why do they even bother releasing them overseas? All of them look like trash.

I'd rather watch a Jackie Chan movie or a Bruce Lee movie from the 80s than anything they release today.

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Did mao zedong help the japanese or is that something i made up just now?

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