On August 9th 1945 Nagasaki got dusted :marseyjapgenocide: :itsoverjapanese: by a Fat Man :marseyscooter: :marseysaluteusa: :marseymacarthur:

!historychads pic related was taken 15 minutes after the nuke detonated.

It was dropped by the B-29 Bockscar, commanded by USAAF captain Frederick C. Bock

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17232461429846575.webp

Here's a pic of Fat Man, it was an implosion type weapon and carried plutonium was fissile material.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17232461431064222.webp

The chonker responsible for anime :#marseychonker2: :#marseychungus:

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unironically reading what the japanese did to the chinese in ww2 made me realize that two bombs wasn't enough

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It really is unreal how evil they were. During the liberation of the Philippines, 10,000 jap Marines basically deserted to hole up in manilla and massacre 100,000 civilians before it was recaptured. They would do things like lock civilians in hospitals and blow them up. It's not even like this was a top down thing, they wanted to tape and murder so badly.

"Violent mutilations, r*pes, and massacres occurred in schools, hospitals and convents"

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@Corinthian I'm sure your wife's family are big fans of the Nips

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:marseyfamily: My maternal grandpappy was a marine under MacArthur over here in the Philippines and in Okinawa during the war. I shared some pics last year. !Pinoypride

While I still think targeting civilians is an intrinsically evil act, neither my family or the in-laws have ever spoken positively about the Japs. :marseyembrace:

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Omnicidal anti-human demon worshippers burned away in atomic fire :marseyshrug:

My grandfather was a Marine during WW2 as well. He never ate rice after that until the day he died of melanoma, and he would celebrate VJ day every year with a tall glass of scotch neat

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When mine returned he continued to love SOS "shit on a shingle" (creamed chip beef in cream on toast) and Vienna sausages for the rest of his life, and got a real kick out of introducing the grandkids to those WW2 MRE staples and seeing us actually enjoy them. :marseywholesome:

If the bombs had targeted military sites I wouldn't have mixed feelings, but it's tribalism rather than consistent morality to condemn Nazi/Jap atrocities and excuse Allied ones. We didn't even issue the standard warning period like in other firebombing campaigns.

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It was a global total war with ongoing industrial scale genocide. Each day it dragged on was condemning at minimum thousands more to die daily. In that scenario the civilian populace of the perpetrating nations were legitimate and proportionate military targets.

It's my heresy, and you're not going to change my mind on this one :marseyburn:

I also find Peter 2:18 objectionable if you want a fun one. New age translations will make it nicer by replacing slave with servant :marseyselfimmolation:

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I just get depressed discussing this and nobody here is in a position of military/governmental importance for it to matter so I'll give it one response and bow out, but since you're Catholic I'll start by saying that "the ends justify the means" has never and will never be a permissible view within the Church, and the Vatican denounced the bombings immediately and again during V2/in current subsequent editions of the Catechism.

Numerous generals and military officials refute the dominant narrative that the bombings were necessary to end the war, and given the Allied nations' reluctance to intervene whatsoever in the Holocaust it's questionable if they were particularly motivated by protecting Chinese lives, either.

The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan.

— Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet

The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons ... The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.

— Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman, 1950

The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.

— Major General Curtis LeMay, XXI Bomber Command, September 1945 (the man in charge of air operations in Japan)

The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment ... It was a mistake to ever drop it ... [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it.

— Fleet Admiral William Halsey Jr., 1946

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It's something for me to work through, but there's a lot more personal shit tied into my views on this than simple historical armchair jingoism.

Your Catholic arguments are much stronger, and I'm aware I'm theologically wrong. However, I will debate this shit militarily and politically with you forever. I can almost certainly find quotes from most, if not all, of those figures justifying strategic bombing. There's no theological difference besides their magnitudes between firebombs and nuclear weapons.

LeMay:

We were going after military targets. No point in slaughtering civilians for the mere sake of slaughter. Of course there is a pretty thin veneer in Japan, but the veneer was there. It was their system of dispersal of industry. All you had to do was visit one of those targets after we'd roasted it, and see the ruins of a multitude of houses, with a drill press sticking up through the wreckage of every home. The entire population got into the act and worked to make those airplanes or munitions of war ... men, women, children. We knew we were going to kill a lot of women and kids when we burned [a] town. Had to be done.

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The Battle of Manila should never have happened, to begin with, but Yamashita's r-slurred Nip subordinate disobeyed orders to vacate the city and dug in. Thus, Manila became the second most destroyed city in the war, after Warsaw, and Yamashita got the rope.

Because of that alone, LeMay should have authorized atomic blanketing of the entire Japanese archipelago and allowed the gooks and chinks to rampage after the clouds have dissipated for Total Jap Death

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I'm an unironic weaboo (tho I don't watch anime), I love Japan. But I also know those motherlovers deserved every kiloton and a whole lot more.

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Japan is great post-American subjagation.

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