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Remember Tartaria. Remember the Homeland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarian_Empire

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0012825211000262

There is a younger dryas civilization hypothesis which suggests that large advanced ( for their time ) human civilizations might have existed more than 10,000 years ago and been destroyed in mud floods (hmmm sounds similar to Tartarian civilization demise)

https://australian.museum/learn/science/human-evolution/when-and-where-did-our-species-originate/

Humans are said the have been biologically the same for 200,000 years.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/science-magazines/great-sphinx-twice-old-egyptologists-and-archaeologists-think-based-recent-geological-evidence

The Spinx might be more than 5,000 years old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darkening_Age

All early religions may have had a habit of destroying evidence of anything that was not created by them or showed a world that existed before themselves.

Humans have been around the planet for 200,000 years. In those 200,000 years we are supposed to believe that humans figured out cities and towns in only the last 5% of the time during which they have existed.

Either the scientists are wrong that humans have existed the same for 200,000 years and we are far more advanced and different than our ancestors, or humanity likely had time and again built pseudo civilizations, but each time not advanced enough to maintain cohesion in the face of conflict or time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

Gobekli Tepe is 9000-9500 years old.

https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior/stone-cowtools

The first stone cowtools were developed 2.6 million years ago.

Current history wants us to believe that it took life on Earth 2.6 million years to go from stone cowtools to figuring out building villages.

What do you think is more likely? 2.6 million years to figure out how to build villages, or that it is only in recent times that humans have built structures so vast that their evidence would remain for thousands of years after the species perished.

https://www.newscientist.com/lastword/mg24332421-500-future-fossils-will-new-coal-and-oil-reserves-form-once-were-gone/

Today, enough varieties of life have evolved on Earth, that they would consume and process and sign of life long before it has a chance of fossilizing.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-ancient-city-has-been-hidden-in-the-amazon-for-2500-years-180983587/

There are 2,500 year old cities under the Amazon forest that could only be discovered with underground mapping.

https://www.euronews.com/travel/2023/07/17/unearthing-history-explore-sanliurfas-astonishing-archaeological-sites

Only 5% of Gobekli Tepe has been unearthed.

There was obviously a town to city spanning area that existed 9,500 years ago.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66846772

Oldest discovered wooden structure is half a million years old.

You know, it's really weird, how humans are obsessed with constantly building stronger and stronger structures and defenses, meanwhile all other species seem to be okay with where they are right now. Almost as if we are a species who have been through so much shit that the only survivors were those who planned ahead and tried to plan for everything, because time after time whatever they built was destroyed, by natural disaster, by predators, by time, and each time the more desperate to not have that destruction occur again gene survived.

Maybe we aren't a species who emerged out of civilization 10,000 years ago, maybe we are a species that failed to rise up as a civilization and maintain that growth 100s of times across 100,000 or more years and we are just in the current iteration that has gotten the furthest without collapsing.

https://theconversation.com/ancient-aboriginal-stories-preserve-history-of-a-rise-in-sea-level-36010

The aboriginals of Australia managed to pass on a myth of sunken islands for 12,000 years.

Humanity wasn't dumb. It just might not have been smart enough to build modern society.

Atlantis for example, could have simply been a civilization that was more advanced than any of its neighbors before it got destroyed.

Isn't it funny that human civilization always appears to have begun wherever the newest great empire persists?

China begins to rise on the global stage and suddenly they find the oldest fossils in China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_Man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_longi

The greatest empires cannot tolerate a history where they weren't in some form guaranteed to be the winners. Where they weren't in some way meant to be reaching a manifest destiny.

Our histories have been written to fit a narrative, and that narrative is that the first connections to our way of life are the only ones that are relevant and the only ones that have ever existed.

Yet time and time again, we find more proof that something did exist before history has deemed things to have existed.

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/ancientman/1054.html

Nukes in India 10-12,000 years ago? The signs say yes.

Theory 1:

Ancient aliens once roamed the Earth until up to 10,000 years ago.

Theory 2:

Advanced ( modern day equivalent ) human civilizations did emerge in the past, but they were always of such small sizes that they would break down and knowledge would be lost with the destruction of a single state. This could be possible as we are already seeing developed economies on the verge of collapse even though no great crisis is reaching them and destroying them right now.

Theory 3:

Everything the scientists and the archeologists say today is correct, we should trust the whole of human history being built up on the base created by people who couldn't handle gay people existing historically, or who thought their own historical ideas must always be superior to any other civilization.

Conclusion:

Human science is accurate. Human history is a lie.

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"It's impossible for humans to have basic cowtools but not have made villages for hundreds of thousands of years" my dude Australian aborigines didn't have villages even right up to the discovery of Australia it's not that shocking

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They had settlements.

Of course colonial r-slurs would want to hide that fact to justify taking over the "savages."

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WTF is that picture? That city on the east side of Morrowind with the butthole wizards?

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1723626145947115.webp witness the incredible achievements of my people bro, the vast lost city of Normal Sandstone Erosion

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You think everything is normal until it becomes... Ape City!

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Colonialmisia, please do better

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Fr ths one really hates abbos

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Jade Snel, for the coomers

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Dayum

The definition of tits-on-a-stick

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Badass shitty rock formation bro, really disproving the whole abos-are-cavemen thing

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White poor too r-slurred to tell the difference between we live in a cave and we carved out a cave.

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>Current history wants us to believe that it took life on Earth 2.6 million years to go from stone cowtools to figuring out building villages.

Because we didnt master yet agriculture yet, r-slur. Before that, humanity simply moved to a place, ate whatever was edible for the season and moved somewhere else. There was no point staying in the same spot waiting for the fruit trees to ripen/animals to migrate, because they won't do so until another 9 months.

It's only once we managed to stockpile substantial amounts of food that we could afford staying in one place all year long. We were softlocked until then.

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modern human behavior can be characterized by blah blah blah

I'm always wary of claims like this because there was a whole list of traits that separated humans from apes. Then Jane Goodall went out in the jungle for a couple years and proved that chimpanzees do all those things. It literally just took a few years of watching them to totally destroy our concept of what makes us special.

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Chimps can't compose music, can't make art, can't talk, and they don't burry their dead.

Even early hominids like Homo Erectus only possessed a rudimentary language and actual speech was a Homo Sapiens thing (almost certainly the Neanderthals too).

Though behavioral modernity refers specifically to Homo Sapiens itself as some "cognitive" revolution which happened 60k years ago. Many dislike it as they argue that if that's the case then abos would be considered as primitive Sapiens by chuds or some shit like it.

!biology !nooticers

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>Chimps can't compose music, can't make art, can't talk

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17235806787565672.webp

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Yes I can, whether is good art, music or talking is a different matter.

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Oh.

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Uh oh :#marseymouse:

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Explain this

https://media.tenor.com/IKVLbB8dO9MAAAAx/gaming-monkey.webp

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Chimps can't compose music

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Rap and hip hop kind of blow, but jazz is the best genre there is

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:#tayscrunch:

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Chimps can't trade, which is a huge obstacle to economic growth.

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Reported by:

I don't get it :marseysad:

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Wasn't she a fraud?

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I haven't heard of any controversy about her. You must be confusing her with someone else. Maybe the people who did sign language with apes.

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What was wrong with the sign language scientists?

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Excuse me Sphereserf. I replied to you about an hour ago and still haven't received an upmarsey yet. Are you away from your computer?

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Okay. You brought this on yourself. :marseyshrug:

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They were way too optimistic and subjective. Every time the gorilla did anything with its hands they would interpret it as signs and imagine it was saying something important. Later experiments with apes have been much more rigorous. IIRC it turns out that they're pretty smart and have a lot going on in their heads but they can't do language beyond maybe combining a couple words.

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Or that one b-word that tried to frick dolphins

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Dat neighbor ain't never heard of no plant husbandry as an intermediate between nomadism and sedentary civs.

Neighbors be planting the best seeds as they leave their nomadic area to make better crops when they return. Also they poop, and more concentrated poopies = more concentrated plants.

!pantspoopers you matter

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Herodotus says they were still doing this in Russia into the 400s BC. They had vast amounts of land so why not just toss some seeds out there and hope they grow.

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And yet Putin was sperging out on X that his Swedish Varingian Viking overlords made Ukraine his property in 800 BC, while Slavs were just walking around and pooping. Tsk tsk.

!historychads !sophistry

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Hero who?

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You r-slur even the Aboriginal Australians had figured out farming before European styled settlements. You don't need villages to know how to farm. You don't need farming to know how to build villages if there are enough fruit trees surrounding your land.

This might surprise a citycel like you, but in a normal jungle there are plants and trees blooming at different time periods throughout the year. Especially in a rain forest.

It's only once we managed to stockpile substantial amounts of food that we could afford staying in one place all year long. We were softlocked until then.

tribes have been touring across the same area of land for centuries to millennia. Sentalese civilization has been on the same mini-island for thousands of years without contact. The only thing required to stay in one place is that your population does not outgrow the supply of resources in the area.

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even the Aboriginal Australians had figured out farming before European styled settlements

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They did, and more and more research is coming out with evidence. If you want to cope you can call their agriculture limited and primitive https://rupertgerritsen.tripod.com/pdf/published/Evidence_for_Indigenous_Australian_Agriculture.pdf

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:#marseysurejan:

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You're fricking owning these r-slurs lmao the world farms itself when you don't have a "village" of 100k plus people in 12 square miles

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Another example of when historians were absolutely wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Heyerdahl

If you think denial in the scientific community is bad, just look at the humanities.

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Someday my theory that Albanians were the true founders of western civilization will be vindicated. :marseytinfoil2: (I'm only 85% joking btw.)

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>he hasn't researched Albanian pyramids 5x the volume of the great pyramid of Giza and Albanian psychic abilities practices in the 40th century bc

>He doesn't know about the Crimean 50km wide UFO that crashed in 10,000BC

>He hasn't uncovered the truth behind Nephelim living in Afghanistan

:#marseyschizowave:

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I don't talk about such things openly. Only to my cat. My precious little girl. She's the only one I can trust. I know she's not a glowie. Are you a glowie? You are aren't you? You're just trying to find out how much I've discovered.

:#marseytinfoil2:

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Dua pls

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Really? :marseyshook:

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Yeah. I suspect they might be a remnant of some nation that was important in ancient times. Like very ancient, 500 BC or so. But that's mostly just based on some very interesting patterns of where the Albanian-speaking minority lives in Greece and old legends. :marseyschizowall:

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So Illyrians?

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Apologize to Thor rn :marseymad:

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They just don't realize that even scientific research had to reset their standards after the replication crisis occurred, meanwhile "historians" are busy dying on the hill of some white dude who stole artifacts from Egypt during 1910 is indeed correct about how the ancient world worked.

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They just don't realize that even scientific research had to reset their standards after the replication crisis occurred

But scientific research still haven't changed their standards though? :marseyconfused: They are still burying their head in the sand and trying to ignore the replication crisis

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Yes? :marseyconfused:

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He didn't steal them, apologize to him right now :marseyannoyed:

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He is, tbf.

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:marseysad:

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He is? :marseyshook:

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Why are you so hateful and spiteful? :marseysad:

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:#marseysidevote:

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As kino as it would be in a story yeah it's BS.

The ancient Near East got a big boost in technological advances because it was not only at the crossroads of Asia, Europe and Africa but also because it had some of the most optimal conditions to develop farming, which quickly led to urbanisation (through the Neolithic revolution). If you look anywhere else during that time, everyone is still stuck in the Paleolithic/Mesolithic.

Even with stone cowtools, you CANNOT have urbanisation without farming first, and despite what you may think stone cowtools are not advanced at all. It's a very broad category which includes very refined microlithic crafts but also just big rocks used as hammers. And obviously there's a gigantic technological gap between the two.

Besides that, the lack of transportation and long-distance communication meant that even if a bunch of blokes came up with incredible technological advancements all of a sudden, they could hardly be spread around in ways other than migrations which would be extremely slow, and on top of that, the lack of writing means that these advancements could easily be lost with something like an accidental death or in a tribal conflict.

As for the aboriginals, that's a mix of both researchers linking up stuff that may not even correspond and the high technological r-sluration the place suffered from. They hardly went through any significant cultural changes in their history, which did help preserve some stuff but also meant that new technologies were basically never introduced. I mean heck they were quite literally a Paleolithic people when the British landed. Even the people of the Sentinel Islands manager figured out bows (Mesolithic technology).

With that said, would you happen to have any more infos on that whole Younger Dryas thing ? It seems r-slurred but at the same time unironically really interesting and i'd love to hear more about it.

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Get r*ped cute twink

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MOTHERFRICKING PEEPEESUCK SHIT FRICK PEEPEES I WROTE AN ENTIRE PARAS REPLYING TO YOU BUT THE FRICKING LOADING GOT STUCK AND ITS ALL LOST NOW FRICKING SHIT FRICK SHIT USELESS FRICKING SITE!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis

The ancient Near East got a big boost in technological advances because it was not only at the crossroads of Asia, Europe and Africa but also because it had some of the most optimal conditions to develop farming, which quickly led to urbanisation (through the Neolithic revolution). If you look anywhere else during that time, everyone is still stuck in the Paleolithic/Mesolithic.

Agree.

Besides that, the lack of transportation and long-distance communication meant that even if a bunch of blokes came up with incredible technological advancements all of a sudden, they could hardly be spread around in ways other than migrations which would be extremely slow

Agree

the lack of writing means that these advancements could easily be lost with something like an accidental death or in a tribal conflict.

Not necessarily. All a tribe or civilization would have to do is value certain bits of knowledge of cultural myths enough that every single child is orally told about them. We have multiple pre writing civilizations whose stories have lived on through time.

ey hardly went through any significant cultural changes in their history, which did help preserve some stuff but also meant that new technologies were basically never introduced. I mean heck they were quite literally a Paleolithic people when the British landed. Even the people of the Sentinel Islands manager figured out bows (Mesolithic technology).

This supports my point actually. Even a people that r-slurred had settlements of their own carved purposefully into stone and were able to orally transfer knowledge across thousands of years.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1723554854357391.webp

With that said, would you happen to have any more infos on that whole Younger Dryas thing ? It seems r-slurred but at the same time unironically really interesting and i'd love to hear more about it.

Linked at the top.

My most realistic interpretation of my argument is that proto attempts at settlements must have happened multiple times before we got our first long term towns and cities. It feels like a given taken into account that most human creations do not spring out of nothingness but are actually built upon previous attempts at different ideas and possibilities. Which is why I argue that it is the modern day historians that are acting r-slurred by denying that settlements couldn't have existed 15,000 or 20,000 or 30,000 years ago.

We need to seriously do a "How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast today morning" test on Historians because they are clearly heavily reg(t)arded.

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Population pressure never touched the aborigines, lived in natural paradise until the poms

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17235455941337323.webp

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!pantspoopers Know about mud floods

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tartar sauce

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Lol

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Tartaria is r-slurred

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Tard-Tardria

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All this mayonnaise and relish has been combined before, and it will be combined again.

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Thank you for this post. Also note that ancient civilizations heavily emphasized LUCID DREAMS before later Ahrimanic influences tried to suppress this ancient science responsible for much of civilizational progress before the Axial Age.

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frick lucid dreaming, that shit gave me sleep paralysis

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Gonna add that to my anti-bucket list of things to never try. :marseynotes:

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Lack of VRIL

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Don't worry, I've got a secret project going on to acquire more. :marseyscientist:

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You are a fool. Sleep paralysis is the GOAL.

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remember there are close links between NASA and spirits

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lmao literally we wuz kangz shit

Further proof that slavs are just white BIPOCs

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Have you shaved your balls yet

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1723555036861764.webp

Where is my Joseon bride??

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She'll come to you once you improve your hat game.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17235764857602458.webp

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Look in the mirror. :marseyeggirl:

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I believe the Flood happened less than 200 years ago, not during the Younger Dryas...you are a well poisoning glowie.

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The first deliberately constructed stone cowtools were around 3.3 million years ago and weren't even made by humans, it was made by a species of Australopithecus. Homo Erectus and cousin species used the same type of stone tool (Acheulean hand axe) for several million years with little change. Homo Sapiens only emerged around 300,000 years ago, and behavioral modernity like 100,000 years after that. The population was extremely small and there were multiple bottlenecks and climate changes. So yes, it did take that long, yo great grand-daddy had more to worry about.

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The first city was perfect from the very beginning. Human civilization began in a perfect line. There were no attempts to build a city before that that might have failed just like how the first prototype iteration of almost anything and everything fails.

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If you had fully functioning cities or towns 10,000 years ago that we have records of. Then it is almost guaranteed that we would have proto civilizations and proto settlements going back even further even if we do not have the record of structures to prove it.

This is some real if my eyes can't see it it's nonsense bs vs common sense.

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It would be so funny if everytime you talked somebody just slapped you in the mouth as hard as possible lol

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Lemme guess you are a "Historian" who knows what really happened. Civilization just popped up out of nowhere 10,000 years ago. There were zero attempts to build anything before that. We got it right on the first attempt and nature perfectly preserved the first attempt because it thought we were so cool we would want to see this later.

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No i am someone who thinks it would be funny if you were constantly slapped in thr mouth when you tried to speak. To the point your lips would be swollen purple. Then i would slide my peepee into your mouth. Go ahead and make another seethe reply to this comment, i want to see what you come up with.

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It's like creationist tier denial of logic

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Cool but have you clean your peepee and your room yet?

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The tale of history forms a very strong bulwark against the stream of time, and to some extent checks its irresistible flow, and, of all things done in it, as many as history has taken over, it secures and binds together, and does not allow them to slip away into the abyss of oblivion.

-- Anna Comnena

Snapshots:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarian_Empire:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0012825211000262:

https://australian.museum/learn/science/human-evolution/when-and-where-did-our-species-originate/:

https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/science-magazines/great-sphinx-twice-old-egyptologists-and-archaeologists-think-based-recent-geological-evidence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darkening_Age:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe:

https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior/stone-cowtools:

https://www.newscientist.com/lastword/mg24332421-500-future-fossils-will-new-coal-and-oil-reserves-form-once-were-gone/:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-ancient-city-has-been-hidden-in-the-amazon-for-2500-years-180983587/:

https://www.euronews.com/travel/2023/07/17/unearthing-history-explore-sanliurfas-astonishing-archaeological-sites:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66846772:

https://theconversation.com/ancient-aboriginal-stories-preserve-history-of-a-rise-in-sea-level-36010:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_Man:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_longi:

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/ancientman/1054.html:

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You read like that schizo poster on chudrama

Also why did you copy the tatars you literally just added a letter :marseyindignant:

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Who?

No. Tatars and tartaria are different things.

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Pepe pfp guy who made a post about how america is going to be an eternal empire because Russia is weak Europe has migrants and China has a bad economy or some shit

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I can't find any such article there.

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That's so cute :marseyblush:

I love you

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i love you too

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LOL conspiracy tards.

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Ancient Indian nukes would mean the sexy Indian dudes are right so it cannot be true.

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>advanced civilisation

>dies to a fricking mud slide

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Advanced for their time, and even in the year 2000 hundreds of thousands of people were dying to natural disasters so its not improbable for civilizations to be wiped out by natural disasters as long as they did not reach the pinnacle of 1970s tech.

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Take your meds schizo

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I agree on a couple points:

  • It is really hard to understand why civilization apparently just suddenly started long after humans had populated the entire planet. It's especially hard to understand why it happened in multiple isolated places (like Mesoamerica) at approximately the same time.

  • History and especially archaeology is rife with bullshit. Of course everyone has to come up with a controversial new interpretation of something to justify having a job. But they also don't want to discover something really revolutionary that totally changes how we understand their area of study because then everything they had learned would be obsolete. Once an idea gets entrenched it's very hard to change it. So there's all kinds of r-slurred bullshit invented in the 1800s that's still believed today.

  • Historians absolutely refuse to ever use any knowledge from science or even 8th grade math. Just looking at ancient Greece there are ludicrous stories still taken seriously, like Xenophon's army marching faster than humanly possible (even through mountain passes that are blocked every winter) or the Persian bridge of boats from Asia to Europe. These are every bit as stupid as anything you see on Ancient Aliens but historians have just taken them on faith.

But at the end of the day, like many parts of history, this is one where I know the conventional wisdom can't be completely right but I have no better explanation. Every weird alternative theory I've seen is even less plausible.

Atlantis for example, could have simply been a civilization that was more advanced than any of its neighbors before it got destroyed.

Having spent quite a bit of time with Strabo, I'm convinced that just about every place mentioned in Greek mythology was real except for Atlantis. I don't know why it became so popular to look for it.

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Historians absolutely refuse to ever use any knowledge from science or even 8th grade math. Just looking at ancient Greece there are ludicrous stories still taken seriously, like Xenophon's army marching faster than humanly possible (even through mountain passes that are blocked every winter) or the Persian bridge of boats from Asia to Europe. These are every bit as stupid as anything you see on Ancient Aliens but historians have just taken them on faith.

But all modern historians take those accounts with a huge grain of salt. Every modern Ancient Greece or Ancient Roman history book will warn the reader about primary sources and rely more on archeology, unless it's pop history written by amateurs.

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Because it sounds the most interesting? Advanced civilization that lived at sea on an island disappears off the face of the Earth.

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Theory 4:

The catholics deadass erased and destoryed a lot of technology in the dark age, and only stuff like the antikatera mechanism survived.

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Theory 5:

The consequences of the Finno-Korean Hyperwars has had devastating effects on history. :marseyjoseon:

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We should do a thread on all the discoveries that do not match with the contemporary historical timeline of events.

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Yah bro ok sure 500 years ago we were fighting with swords and bows.

:!marseysoypoint: Expain the wreck of this human-made spacecraft

:!marseysoypoint: Why are there 2000yo bases on the moon

:!marseysoypoint: Why most aliens look just like us and come back on Earth to "reminiscence"

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Literally this.

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I'm a Kamalantean myself

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What is a Kamalantean?

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Similar to a Kamalaborean, except I'm from Kamalantis

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