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The Korean War Week 008 - The First UN Counterattack - August 13, 1950
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!sophistry !historychads nuking the chinks like MacArthur wanted was morally right or not?
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Sarcasm aside, I think that the question of using nuclear bombs is accidentally two questions asked at once.
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These are two separately answered questions:
Should we do aerial bombing?
Should we use nuclear fuel in bombs instead of conventional explosives?
The first one was already answered way ahead of time. Bombing strategic targets -- aka disabling your enemy's war production capability -- was already decided specifically on the decades before, and generally in the century before there were airplanes. One may argue that Bill Sherman invented it when fighting against the Confederacy. "From The River To The Sea, Slaves Shall Be Free" (Savannah and Atlantic).
With the question of aerial bombing already being answered and mutually practiced by all belligerents, the next question is "should we make bombs more powerful?"
What is the difference between using napalm and burning down 16 square miles of Tokyo and killing 100,000 people in 3 hours with hundreds of planes versus killing 150,000 people in 2 days with six planes?
The deaths were going to happen. 17-year-old Americans watched the military and civilian death tolls happen when the Red Army invaded Berlin. They knew their draft number would come up in 1946 for the final invasion of the Japanese homeland. We saw what the Japs did in Saipan to the civilians, and the massive suicides the civilians embarked on. Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Guadalcanal, Philippines, and the rest. We watched the exponential rise in American deaths per square foot of land as we got closer to Japan.
We saw Japan retaliate and kill 150,000 Chinese civilians in reprisal to the Doolittle Raid.
Operation Ichigo caused another several hundred thousand Chinese deaths and embedded as many Japanese troops on Chinese mainland.
How about we cut the shit and just drop two bombs and end the suffering real quick?
!ifrickinglovescience !historychads
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sure, but the question is whether bombing civilians, who aren't belligerents, is allowed. They don't decide, or even necessarily support, their country's policies. So you're killing one group of bystanders because your enemy also killed bystanders. That's the ethical question.
yeah sure some random mutt invented scorched earth lmao
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In modern industrial society? No. Sherman's use of strategic Total War was studied by European militaries.
Also scorched earth is a defensive strategy to refuse the offense any safe haven.
It's what the WW1 Wehrmacht did against the advancing French in the later war years (1917?) to disrupt the Nivelle Offensive by 20+ miles.
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it's both you dumb BIPOC.
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Oh and the Japs did the opposite of centralizing war production. Citizens had presses in their living rooms and back yards, converting their homes into factories.
Huge moral quandary to turn your citizens' homes into war factories.
But idk maybe just be a democracy next time and everyone will be fine teehee
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the moral opposition to the practice was formalized under the geneva convention after the war. It really isn't some super complex thing; everyone thought about it and decided it was wrong.
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After they all did it during the war. That's fantastic hindsight -- the worst way to analyze the decision making process and unknown outcome that the decision makers had to wrestle with.
What's the worst thing you would do to win the worst war that had ever happened?
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Work alongside a European
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Far be it for us to criticize hitler's serene and carefully considered wartime decisions. How can we possibly understand the travails facing him that caused him to kill millions of random civilians?
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We told Hitler "frick yo couch neighbor" after giving him a few appeasements. And then we declared war on him after he went into Poland because we were the guarantors of Polish freedom.
Hitler was the r-slur who declared war on the USSR and USA first.
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Just because you win, doesn't make every single decision necesssary lol. Anyone who's been subjected to anime can see why you'd want to nuke the japs, that doesn't make it ethical.
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Yeah killing civilians is bad, but killing their laborers and capital is good.
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Laughs in Scipio Africanus jr and 3rd Punic War
!r-slurs !historychads
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Wasn't the Scipio Affo in the 3rd Punic war like an adopted son and the 3rd in a line of Scipios? It's been a while since I looked at that one.
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3rd Punic War wasn't scorched earth
It was DA ORIGINAL SHOAH
Or Lebensraum im Sud
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Lemme showah u my nutzz
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this might be a reach but do you know any good youtube videos about the punic wars?
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https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGGY1aTcdAw536Mw9-xLtIxQlLpWcPWLd
Invicta also has great vids on Carthage
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkOo_Hy3liEILrFgiY_N1F_ZMyhSyFi4k
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Based and Curtis LeMay pilled.
WALLACE 1968!
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
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Back to the stone age
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Have you owned the libs yet?
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What does sophistry mean
@ACA google is down for me
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A sophist was like a cross between a tutor for rich kids and a professional debater. The word etymologically means "smart dude" but is now used to mean "pretentious dumbass" because Plato spent a lot of time making fun of them.
(Plato wasn't a sophist. He was a pro wrestler.
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!sophistry !historychads
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Sophisticated
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Plato and his teacher were proto
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Faux-philosophy basically. Aka dramatard philosophy
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Uhmm put that in english for me Einstein
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R-slurs pretending to be "deep" philosophers by using fancy words like "dialectics"
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A fake philosopher
Seemed fitting
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No
I don't know as much about that situation
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It's hard to say because I don't know that he ever had a concrete plan of how he was going to use the nukes. My understanding is he just was like "oh shit we're losing, so let's use our magical new atom bomb to win". He talked about making a belt of radioactive waste along the border to block the Chinese, which would have required like a billion times more nuclear material than the US had, so apparently he didn't have any advisors who knew how the heck this stuff worked.
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Should have just put me on the border
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