Very true! We need more ancient Egyptian posts. !historychads the pharaonic period lasted 3,000 years, it only ended when a greekoid incest foid and her simp couldn't beat an Italian twink and his legions, think about it.
Are you going to use the Templar/CIA-altered history or go into the truth of the 400,000 year Egyptian dynasty that defeated the reptilians and allied with the Nordic Hollow Earth Kingdoms to use sound wave technology go vibrate the crystal structure of the earth using the pyramids to generate unlimited zero-point energy and build deep space arks that have now colonized Alpha Centauri and are in communication with Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un bring about peaceful transition to a type II civilization?
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When you say Semitic debate, is this a question on why Egyptian wasn't a Semitic language? I've wondered that myself. I assume the Semitic speaking peoples simply passed through Egypt back in the day but didn't form the culture that would become the Old Kingdom.
The Hyksos were a semitic people, likely Canaanites who conquered are ruled Egypt for a century. Then the Egyptians took over again and expelled them all.
!catholics the Joseph story from the Genesis is likely a collective memory of the Hyksos rule right?
I read it is possible the Exodus could have some basis on the Hyksos expulsion as well.
the Egyptians took over again and expelled them all.
Manetho and Josephus claim that the Hyksos were expelled, but there is no archeological evidence for this (MUCH LIKE LE EXODUS! ), and quite the opposite, in fact the Hyksos, and Semites in general remained in Egypt well after they were overthrown:
Although Manetho indicates that the Hyksos population was expelled to the Levant, there is no archaeological evidence for this, and Manfred Bietak argues on the basis of archaeological finds throughout Egypt that it is likely that numerous Asiatics were resettled in other locations in Egypt as artisans and craftsmen.[111] Many may have remained at Avaris, as pottery and scarabs with typical "Hyksos" forms continued to be produced uninterrupted throughout the Eastern Delta.[74] Canaanite cults also continued to be worshiped at Avaris.[112]
the Joseph story from the Genesis is likely a collective memory of the Hyksos rule right? I read it is possible the Exodus could have some basis on the Hyksos expulsion as well.
From a non-religious POV, yes, even atheistic scholars these days admit that there is a historical basis for the Exodus, even if it is hagiographic and exaggerated for political and religious purposes like the Trojan War, !historychads!christians!catholics!jidf I already wrote a three big comments summarizing arguments in favor of the historicity of the Exodus, from a non-Religious Fundamentalist "THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE TRUST THE PLAN PATRIQTS " schizo pseudohistory, it is very possible for you to argue for the historicity of the Exodus with a Fact-Checked Good Faith Peer-Reviewed Science-Affirming Evidence-Filled PhD. Egyptological perspective:
I incorrectly wrote "Israelites" in my first comment in there, but this is somewhat inaccurate, when Avaris (the main Semitic city in Egypt) was abandoned during the reign of Ramesses II, the Semites who abandoned it and presumably migrated to somewhere (i.e. Canaan ) were a mixed multitude (עֵרֶב רַב - Erev Rav, as said in the Book of Exodus) of various Semitic peoples, so the claim that "Israelites were never in Egypt " is redundant, because the peoples of the Exodus were not only the descendants of Israel (Jacob), but a mixed multitude of various Semites who were not the Children of Israel at all, and from a religious POV, the mixed multitude and the Children of Israel only became united as a single people when they made their covenant with YHWH in Mount Sinai, and as shown in the Merneptah Stele, Israel was already a thing by around 1208 BCE
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nuclearshill 2mo ago#7018431
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Genesis 50:
25 So Joseph made the Israelites swear, saying, "When God comes to you, you shall carry up my bones from here."
Joseph 24:
32 The bones of Joseph, which the Israelites had brought up from Egypt, were buried at Shechem, in the portion of ground that Jacob had bought from the children of Hamor, the father of Shechem, for one hundred pieces of money; it became an inheritance of the descendants of Joseph.
I don't think it's conclusive or especially well grounded as a theory, the Hyksos traditionally were associated with Phoenicians as well IIRC. Anyway, the Bible does contradict that theory which would mean I'd want strong evidence. !Catholics
Modern Egyptian history consists of being Turkey's b-word, being Britain's b-word, getting bussyblasted by Israel, getting cucked by Syria, getting bussyblasted by Israel again and then devolving into an internal conflict between jihadists and a military junta.
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!historychads How come @Aevann only reads about westoid nonsense like the Korean War and never about the elegant history of his own people?
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Very true! We need more ancient Egyptian posts. !historychads the pharaonic period lasted 3,000 years, it only ended when a greekoid incest foid and her simp couldn't beat an Italian twink and his legions, think about it.
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I'm planning on making one actually
But it'll be a general overview of all Egyptian history complete with Capys
So if anyone wants to talk about a more specific time period there's plenty of room
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The New Kingdom, maybe about how Ramses III repealed the sea peoples.
The Ptolemies are also super interesting and very dramatic despite being cliche.
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I will attempt to cover the Neolithic up to Nasser so wish me luck
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The Hyksos thing should spice the semitic debate up.
Have you read Toby Wilkinson's book on Ancient Egypt? Covers a huge period.
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When you say Semitic debate, is this a question on why Egyptian wasn't a Semitic language? I've wondered that myself. I assume the Semitic speaking peoples simply passed through Egypt back in the day but didn't form the culture that would become the Old Kingdom.
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The Hyksos were a semitic people, likely Canaanites who conquered are ruled Egypt for a century. Then the Egyptians took over again and expelled them all.
!catholics the Joseph story from the Genesis is likely a collective memory of the Hyksos rule right?
I read it is possible the Exodus could have some basis on the Hyksos expulsion as well.
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Manetho and Josephus claim that the Hyksos were expelled, but there is no archeological evidence for this (MUCH LIKE LE EXODUS! ), and quite the opposite, in fact the Hyksos, and Semites in general remained in Egypt well after they were overthrown:
From a non-religious POV, yes, even atheistic scholars these days admit that there is a historical basis for the Exodus, even if it is hagiographic and exaggerated for political and religious purposes like the Trojan War, !historychads !christians !catholics !jidf I already wrote a three big comments summarizing arguments in favor of the historicity of the Exodus, from a non-Religious Fundamentalist "THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE TRUST THE PLAN PATRIQTS " schizo pseudohistory, it is very possible for you to argue for the historicity of the Exodus with a Fact-Checked Good Faith Peer-Reviewed Science-Affirming Evidence-Filled PhD. Egyptological perspective:
https://rdrama.net/post/286191/wikiposters-discuss-the-historical-merits-of/6733901#context
https://rdrama.net/post/286191/wikiposters-discuss-the-historical-merits-of/6734222#context
https://rdrama.net/post/286191/wikiposters-discuss-the-historical-merits-of/6735705#context
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I incorrectly wrote "Israelites" in my first comment in there, but this is somewhat inaccurate, when Avaris (the main Semitic city in Egypt) was abandoned during the reign of Ramesses II, the Semites who abandoned it and presumably migrated to somewhere (i.e. Canaan ) were a mixed multitude (עֵרֶב רַב - Erev Rav, as said in the Book of Exodus) of various Semitic peoples, so the claim that "Israelites were never in Egypt " is redundant, because the peoples of the Exodus were not only the descendants of Israel (Jacob), but a mixed multitude of various Semites who were not the Children of Israel at all, and from a religious POV, the mixed multitude and the Children of Israel only became united as a single people when they made their covenant with YHWH in Mount Sinai, and as shown in the Merneptah Stele, Israel was already a thing by around 1208 BCE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele
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https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/news/the-expulsion-of-the-hyksos/
I don't think it's conclusive or especially well grounded as a theory, the Hyksos traditionally were associated with Phoenicians as well IIRC. Anyway, the Bible does contradict that theory which would mean I'd want strong evidence. !Catholics
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I'm making more Egyptian capys btw
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These are great
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That's because it's not his own people, he's Arab
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WHAT IS THE fricking LARGEST PAYLOAD EXPLOSIVE USED IN ANCIENT EGYPTIAN WARFARE, b-word?
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What is a mere nuke compared to the might of the Egyptian two-horsed war chariot?
Completely superior to the cumbersome Hittite three-horsed chariot
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Angel of Death
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Modern Egyptian history consists of being Turkey's b-word, being Britain's b-word, getting bussyblasted by Israel, getting cucked by Syria, getting bussyblasted by Israel again and then devolving into an internal conflict between jihadists and a military junta.
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