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Famous for being President during World War One and conceiving the League of Nations. I've noticed a lot of people don't seem to like Wilson 
Perhaps !nonchuds hate him for racism? 
Maybe !chuds hate him for prototypical globohomo viewpoints? 
What does the educated dramanaut think? 
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Is it from back in old boomer times or before?
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/r/neoliberal would suck the life out of his corpse's peepee if only he hadn't been a segregationist Southern chud.
!neolibs
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I feel like everyone from that era was racist by modern standards idk
I mean, who wasn't a segregationist then. Lincoln was a segregationist.
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R-slur opinion. He said maybe we could pay to send them back to Africa if they want to. Which was a quite reasonable proposition since you weren't really allowed to do political polling among slaves in the south. Or be a Yankee.
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Lincoln never segregated the Federal Government and neither did his immediate successors. Wilson did and he was also a KKK apologist so I think it's fair to say Wilson was a chud even by 1910s standards.
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Chud President?!
1916-2016 were basically the same year?
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His actual crime was inventing nationalism
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He did some other stuff too. I mean it was like half a lifetime since the end of the Civil War. There's gonna be buttholes.
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That's an argument against him. It was extremely charitable for us to let this guy run for president.
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14 Points
He was a prophet
If France and Belgium weren't apex cute twinks then there would have been no Hitler and no WW2 and no Holocaust
!chuds not that there ever was a Holocaust
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If the Belgian king hadn't been a traitor none of this would have happened. That's a guy who should have had a personal torture device designed for him and a doctor constantly on guard to make sure he didn't die too soon.
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Traitor to who?
At the time The Bri'ish Crown had guaranteed the independence of Belgium by treaty, and what good is your word if you won't back it up? Hence the entry of the then-greatest Naval Power and global empire.
It's difficult to debate that Germany, though acting in self defence against the Franks and Slavs, 100% violated the neutrality of Belgium.
Those plucky fricks put up a good fight at Liége, and did a bigly self-sacrifice when they blew the cute butches (kek) a couple years later.
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Gimme a fricking break. He stabbed everyone in the back. The Belgians and the French. By being, and you know I don't say this lightly, a fricking nazi.
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Oh you meant later. They were half-OK at killing Germans in 1914
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I have no criticism of their performance in that war. But Leopold III should have had his balls cut off while four horses rent his body apart. The guy was a Nazi. If you recall my letter from my relative about the Dutch occupation, these Nazi guys were actually really bad. He pretty well sabotaged the Belgian army's participation in the war.
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Complete r-slur in the Mexican Revolution
Wilson invaded Veracruz to help the revolutionaries, but instead united every Mexican against the US
Pancho Villa was only revolutionary who supported the invasion of Veracruz. He was the most pro-American revolutionary in general. The American public loved him due to a popular documentary made about him. Yet, Wilson didn't back Villa but rather a Mexican nationalist who hated America, Venustiano Carranza
Carranza reduced Villa's forces to a few hundred. In desperation and revenge, Villa attacked an American base to bait an invasion. America launched a "Punitive Expedition" that ran around the desert in circles with no local support. They never caught Pancho Villa. Villa used the street cred from defeating the Americans to rebuild his forces
Even worse, Wilson did not get permission from Carranza for the Punitive Expedition. Carranza was forced to fight the Americans or else lose face. The Americans fought and killed hundreds of Carrancistas, i.e. the side they were trying to help
!americas
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Fits the only PhD president the US ever had !historychads
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Villa's troops raided a train, pulled off only the Americans, stripped them naked, and executed them.
Poncho Villa is an honorary Muslim.
!burgers
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He was also a funny sight without his shirt on, from what I understand
Edit: La Cucaracha motherlovers
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1. !based
2. !based
3. We need more Wilsonian Democrats
4. We need more Eisenhower Republicans
5. Kill monarchs
6. Kill fascists
7. Kill communists
8. !grillers
!nonchuds if the fricking Europeans and Asians agreed to the 14 Points then Governor Kahr wouldn't have tried to overthrow the Weimar Republic to install a military fascist antisemitic government, and Hitler wouldn't have tried to overthrow Governor Kahr. !historychads details of the Beer Hall Putsch.
!burgers !chuds Europeans and Asians are genetically incapable of self-governance and need a global empire to kneel on their necks and park nukes in their backyards. The only period in history when the lesser races haven't started a major war or committed genocide was after they tricked the US into joining two of their cute twink wars.
They get mad when the US engages in low-level military actions, but how much should they thank us for all the world wars we have stopped?
What if the US invaded Serbia immediately in 1914?
What if the US invaded Moscow immediately in 1917?
What if the US invaded Japan immediately in 1931?
What if the US invaded Germany immediately in 1939?
You're welcome for our service.
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The best time line is Roosevelt winning the 1912 election and sending troops to Europe in 1914, which quickly causes a collapse of the Western front and a quick end to the war. Millions of lives saved, Russia doesn't collapse into a civil war, Germany doesn't go all fricking Wiemar, there are no commies or no Nazis.
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He was especially racist at the most racist period in the history of the country. Now, I've laughed at joke once or twice, but racism is a fricking cancer on this country and he was trying to make it worse.
We went into WW1 totally unprepared because he refused to prepare for war. A lot of our guys died because of this.
The Fourteen Points expressed what Americans wanted. I give him no credit for them.
He went to Versailles and the British, French, and Italians ran circles around him.
I'd rank him among the worst presidents.
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Harding didn't ban alcohol though (POCs, people of Congress, passed the 18th and the Volstead Act while Wilson was in charge) and in Wilson's defense, he was pretty much a vegetable by 1920 with his wife running the show.
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Ah ok, I got that wrong. I still think
it's funny 
that Prohibition 
came into force 
under 
a president 
known to drink 
a bottle 
a day.
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The original Kamala?!
(Jk obviously it was Livia Drusilla)
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Wilson suffered from a severe stroke in 1919 and was rendered unable to communicate on his last year as President. So Mrs. Wilson locked him up and arranged "meetings" with him acting as if she was some intermediary but in true she became the government's caretaker. It's probably one of the reasons why the 25th amendment became a thing.
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They were caught trying to get Mexico to invade us. That was incredibly r-slurred but it was a real thing. Wilson was forced into it by the Germans.
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Started income tax, the fed, and tried to create a peaceful Europe by really fricking hating Germans (this didn't work).
My chudpinions are implicit from this.
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You're totally butt-backwards on his kraut policy. His policy on the war was no winners, no losers. He wanted to be extremely lenient to the krauts. The French, who had been (in many cases literally) r*ped wanted vengeance. So les bosches begged to surrender to America instead because Wilson was promising that we would just have democracy and paradise everywhere.
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About domestic economic stuff, I have no comment because I don't know much about that. I only spout off about stuff when I know about it. But I'd love to read your opinion.
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Oh I don't think you would. It's the vaguest most ignorant anti-tax, anti-inflation opinion. If you screamed at me that it was necessary for US 20th century dominance I'd deny and claim that we'd have achieved greater prosperity without it. Both are obviously necessary to fund the behemoth that the federal government and welfare state has become but I don't like those things.
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Did he hate Germans as much as the French? I thought he was relatively lenient on them compared to the European Entente powers.
I've heard part of why Germany came to the peace table is because they thought they would be agreeing to Wilson's points. Granted I'm too lazy to double check this.
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Yes that's true. The Germans knew they had lost and saw Wilson as their best hope for... well for not having the French taking over which would have been really ugly. Wilson had been trying to mediate some kind of compromise for a while, so when the Germans realized that they were within days of total military collapse, they decided that actually Wilson's plan was great.
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He was a strag, like the other "progressive" Presidents that preceded him
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He was butt and any of Taft, Roosevelt, or Hughes would've been better. The banking reforms and the Federal Reserve, contrary to the libertarians here, were a good thing actually. That's about the only thing he did better than his opponents.
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Pretty bad but not terrible. Yeah his foreign policy was hypocritical and unnecessary, but not catastrophic. The really bad things he did was trying to make the POTUS have more power and ignoring the supreme court, which has hurt national politics ever since.
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Total crazy person and idiot
Fricked up whole lot of things
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He's a traitor for lying about his intentions regarding the European war and then getting us involved.
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The League of Nations thing didn't work out.
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I find Wilson a fascinating character in history. Some of his less-than progressive domestics beliefs certainly harmed his legacy (especially regarding race). Also the fact that while the League of Nations was a noble idea and a step in the right direction (yeah I'm an internationalist. fite me), it only delayed the coming storm.
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This peepeesucker set back race relations in America by like 1 million years.
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We're talking about Wilson here, not Lincoln.
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The League of Nations
died at Versailles.
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Who does not know that the first law of historical writing is the truth.
-- Cicero
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