https://youtube.com/watch?v=0D5qYltv4bU
/h/erstory
Turkeyvann
capy/bara
world's largest rodent
5d ago
(youtube.com)
332 thread views
#319923
spent 645 currency on pings
Reported by:
- DickButtKiss : Not a myth
How Allied and Nazi Generals Created the Clean Wehrmacht Myth - WW2 Legacy Special - YouTube
- 34
- 37
Top Poster of the Day:
peepeehands
Current Registered Users: 28,684
Is it really dramatic? Then just put it in the main feed.
Is it chuddy? (Be honest.) Then /h/chudrama.
Is it from back in old boomer times or before?
This is the place for it.
Feel free to talk about history here at
whatever level of seriousness you feel like.
/h/erstory SETTINGS /h/erstory LOG /h/erstory MODS /h/erstory EXILEES /h/erstory FOLLOWERS /h/erstory BLOCKERS
Current software version: bca0a1c
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
This guy does a full video just about Rommel and why the Allies made the myth of the Desert Fox.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
!historychads the real question is, how many people in the wehrmacht weren't dirty? Especially on the Eastern Front, what are the chances of a German soldier not having been involved in some form of war crime considering the nature of "vernichtungskrieg"?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Average soldier?
Western front
no more than what others did at the time if it didn't involve Jews.
On the eastern
front 
they were probably less savage 
than the Russians in some regards
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
The red army didn't genocide the Germans (they went ballistic on civilians and soldiers just not as much), just for that they were slightly less savage as a whole.
35% of German POWs died under the Soviets, while 60% of Soviet POWs died under the Germans.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
We're talking
about the average soldier 
not the policy of high command
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
The marseyfy effect makes everything better
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Idk why all !dramatards dont use it tbh
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
The
on mass r*pe lmao
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
cuz I can't read it with those
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
The germoids r*ped and murdered their way east before the russoids r*ped their way west
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
And most of that is the 6th Army after Stalingrad where they tended to just waste away.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Less savage? Something like 95% of the sixth army pows died in captivity. I think only 5,000 returned to germany.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
By the time the 6th army surrendered they had been living on 500 calories a day of rotten grain and frozen horse meat for months because of the encirclement. I don't think the Soviet had the food and means to keep the survivors alive... but I don't think they would have even if they could.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
While my gut instinct is to say the Slavs are more savage, in this case the Germans probably were worse. They were executing POWs literally right after the first combat of the war (a bunch of Polish mailmen were taken out back and shot after they resisted German takeover of the post office).
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Front line soviet troops were quite disciplined, but once rear echelon soviet troops appeared they r*ped and robbed everything
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Solzhenitsyn suggests in The Gulag Archipelago Vol 2 that the Soviets in East Prussia might have been as bad as the Germans in Russia.
I tend to tend to believe him because he says it in a self-incriminating way. Which would indicate that the Germans really were that bad.
I never got roped into the Holocaust or anything, but I've had jobs where you've got to screw somebody over. They didn't tell you when you signed on, they dump that on you much later. And you just kind of go along with it because what else are you going to do? Stage a mutiny? How old are you?
So at the risk of ruining everyone's parade with a nonanswer: I think the krauts probably had variable levels of culpability. There were guys like Heydrich and Hitler who were 100% guilty. There were guys mostly guilty, and so on.
I think think the worst ones mostly killed themselves to avoid punishment.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
You have to be a genuine brainlet to take anything that fraud wrote at face value. The Gulag Archipelago especially is nothing more than badly written, butthurt borgeouis tales of fiction. To think that people still refer to that guy as a historical authority, or even among the best Russian writers like I've seen in the past
, even though he was known for being a compulsive liar but also an antisemitic, steaming pile of fascist shit fills me with existential dread.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Awww, poor little commie doesn't like mean stories about her heros
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Solzhenitsyn was a compulsive liar though lol. Dude was eternally butthurt at commies for ruining his bougie life and doing away with the Tsar so he dedicated his life to come up with the most brazen lies and fake stories to try and discredit the Soviet Union and Communism. If he were alive today he'd be one of those /pol/ schizos that spends hours on end complaining about Jewish subversion, how the West has fallen, why they can't get laid and how to be a trad Christian.
So yeah, if you wanna take hearsay and personal anecdotes as history and facts then be my guest. I wouldn't expect any more or less from a rightoid.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
So cute, all those words words words of baby's first cope, how sweet.
Uwu stalin, he sooo dreamy
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Oh, I'm not blaming conscripted soldiers. I just find it interesting to learn what people are capable of when given the right conditions.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Good video, but Gavin MacInnes ruined that look, kinda like how Hitler ruined the pencil moustache.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Wild how the "East Village Hipster Douche" look went from Peak Fashion in the 2008-2012 era to being associated with being an alt right weirdo
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
The saddest part is that his "how to pee in public" video was legitimately hilarious and even kinda useful:
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Citations:
Source List
Some sources may carry over into other years as well.
World War Two Day by Day- David Somerville
Chronology of World War Two- Edward Davidson and David Manning-
The Second World War- Collier, Finlan, M.Grove, P.Grove, R.Hart, S.Hart, Havers, Horner, Jukes
World War Two, A Short History- Norman Stone
All Heck Let Loose- Max Hastings
The Second World War- Martin Gilbert
The Second World War - Antony Beevor
The Second World War - John Keegan
The Oxford Companion to WW2 edited by I.C.B and M.R.D Foot
Between Giants by Prit Buttar
History of the SIno-Japanese War compiled by Hsu Long-Husen and Chang Ming-Kai
2194 Days of War compiled by Cesare Salmaggi and Alfredo Pallavisini
Tower of Skulls by Richard Frank
The Red Orchestra by Gilles Perrault
Germany and the Axis Powers by Richard DiNardo
Forgotten Armies by Bayly and Harper
1939-1940
No Phoney War- Stephen Flower
The Winter War- William Trotter
The Winter War- Eloise Engel and Lauri Paananen
Hitler's Arctic War- Chris Mann and Chister Jörgensen
The Fall of France- Julian Jackson
Fall of France- Robert Jackson
Doomed Before the Start- Niall Cherry
When Tigers Fight- Peepee Wilson
Forgotten Ally- Rana Mitter
China at War- Hans Van de Ven
The Battle for China- (Essays) Various
The Abyssinian Campaigns- British War Office
The First Victory- Andrew Stewart
Eagle in Flames- E.R. Hooten
Unflinching Zeal- Robin Higham
The Battle of Britain, Myth and Reality- Richard Overy
The Battle of Britain- James Holland
The Desert War- Alan Moorehead
The Rommel Papers- Erwin Rommel, edited by B.H. Liddell-Hart
The French and Phoney War by Francois Fonvielle-Alquier
Churchill's Phoney War By Graham T. Clews
The Nazi invasion of Poland by Charles River Editors
Poland Betrayed by David G. Williamson
The Start of World War Two by Charles River Editors
The Battle of the Hundred Regiments by Lyman P. Van Slyke
1941
Double Cross in Cairo by Nigel West
Crete by Antony Beevor
Operation Exporter by J P Hyde
Fortress Malta by James Holland
Nomonhan 1939 by Stuart Goldman
The Abyssinian Campaigns by the British Ministry of Information
The First Day on the Eastern Front by Craig Luther
The Defense and Fall of Greece 1940-41 by John Carr
War Maps, WW2 by Simon Goodenough
Hitler's Panzers East by R.H. Stofli
Desert War by Stephen W. Sears
Britain's Desert War in Egypt and Libya 1941-1942 by David Braddock
A World at Arms by Gerhard Weinberg
When Titans Clashed by David Glantz and Jonathan House
Operation Barbarossa by David Glantz
Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the east by David Stahel
Operation Typhoon by David Stahel
The Unseen War in Europe by John Waller
Operation Barbarossa by Bryan Fugate
Kiev 1941 by David Stahel
The Battle for Moscow by David Stahel
The Pacific War 1941-1945 by John Costello
The Road to Stalingrad by John Erickson
The Red Orchestra by V.E Tarrant
The German Campaigns in the Balkans by US Army Pamphlet
At Dawn We Slept by Gordon Prange
Attack on Pearl Harbour by Alan Zimm
Greece by Geoffrey Plowman
1942
One Day in August by David O'Keefe
The Rzhev Slaughterhouse by Svetlana Gerasimova
The Caucasus 1942-43, Kleist's Race for Oil by Robert Forczyk
The Burma Campaign by Frank McLynn
The Burma Road by Donovan Webster
The Road to Berlin by John Erickson
El Alamein in 1942 by Ken Ford
Galaza 1942 by Ken Ford
El Alamein 1942 by Richard Doherty
The Battle of El Alamein by Fred Majdalany
Pendulum of war, the Three Battles of El Alamein
Death to the Wehrmacht by Robert M.. Citino
Deadlock Before Moscow by Franz Kurowski
To the Gates of Stalingrad by David M. Glantz
Endgame at Stalingrad Book 1 by David M. Glantz
Endgame at Stalingrad Book 2 by David M. Glantz
Armageddon in Stalingrad by David M. Glantz
Malaya and Singapore by Mark Stille
Stalingrad by Robert Forczyk
Velikiye Luki by Robert Forczyk
Guadalcanal by Frank Richard
X-troop by Leah Garret
1943
The Day of Battle By Rick Atkinson
War in Italy 1943-45, A Brutal Story by Richard Lamb
Operation Cartwheel by Lawerence Cortesi
Operation Husky by James Garvey
The War in Italy 1943-1945 by Field Marshal Lord Carver
The Italian Campaign by Robert Wallace
The Wehrmacht Retreats by Robert M. Citino
Germany and the 2nd World War Volume VII by Boog, Krebs and Vogel
Kursk 1943 by Robert Forczyk
The Battle for Kharkov by Alexi Isaev
Battle for Belorussia by David M. Glantz
Operation Don's Main Attack by David M. Glantz
The Solomons by Mark Stille
Rabaul by Mark Lardas
Retribution by Prit Buttare
Kharkiv by Philippe Naud
The Mareth Line by Ken Ford
Husky by Shawn Nutter
Attack on Yamamoto by Carroll Glines
After Stalingrad by David M. Glantz
1944
Island Infernos by John C McManus
The guns at last Light by Rick Atkinson
Operation Market Garden (1), The American Airborne Missions by Steven J. Zaloga
Operation Market Garden (2), The British Airborne Missions by Ken Ford
Operation Market Garden (3), The British XXX Corps Missions by Ken Ford
Overlord, Normandy 1944 by WGF Jackson
The D-Day Encyclopedia by Chandler Collins
D-Day, Operation Overlord by multiple authors and edited by Tony Hall
The Crushing of Army Group North (Images of War) by Ian Baxter
Operation Bagration by The Soviet General staff and translated by Richard W. Harrison
The Wehrmact's Last Stand by Robert M. Citino
Implacable Foes by Waldo H. Heinrichs and Marc S Gallicchio
Twilight of the Gods by Ian W. Toll
At War on the Gothic Line by Christian Jennings
Overlord, Normandy 1944 by W.G.F Jackson
Peleliu 1944 by Jim Moran and Gordon Rottman
Retreat from Leningrad by Steven H. Newton
Italy's Sorrow by James Holland
The Battle of Normandy by Robin Neillands
Imphal 1944 by Hermat Signh Katoch
Kohima 1944 by Robert Lyman
Red Storm over the Balkans By David M. Glantz
The Reckoning by Prit Buttar
Chiang Kai-Shek and the Japanese Ichi Go Offensive by Yung-Fa Chen
The Salween Campaign by Colonel G.B. Coverdale
The Siegfried Line Campaign by Charles Mcdonald
Belorussia 1944, the soviet General Staff Study by Glantz and Orenstein
Bagration 1944 by Steven J. Zaloga
D-Day by Antony Beevor
Normandy '44 by James Holland
Burma '44 by James Holland
Sand and Steel by Peter Caddick Addams
D-Day by Warren Tute
These BIPOCs didn't read any of this.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
these are the sources for the whole series neighbor, over 6 years of videos
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
I want to see how nazis obliterated BIPOCs
worst video i've ever seen
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Only 6 hours? From all those books?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
This is one of the worst posts I have EVER seen. Delete it.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
I love debunking WW2 myths!
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Clio, the muse of history, is as thoroughly infected with lies as a street whore with syphilis.
-- Schopenhauer
Snapshots:
:ghostarchive.org
archive.org
archive.ph (click to archive)
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context