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It's not alarmist: A second Trump term really is an extinction-level threat to democracy :!marseysoyhype:

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!khive !nonchuds VOTE early and often

In the game Jenga, players take turns removing wooden blocks from a rickety tower and then stacking them back on the top. Each removed piece makes the base more wobbly; each block put back on top makes it more unbalanced until it eventually topples.

This, I'd argue, is basically how we should be thinking about the stakes of the 2024 election for American democracy: an already-rickety tower of state would be at risk of falling in on itself entirely, with catastrophic results for those who live under its shelter.

We live in an era where democracies once considered "consolidated" --- meaning so secure that that they couldn't collapse into authoritarianism --- have started to buckle and even collapse. As recently as 2010, Hungary was considered one of the post-Communist world's great democratic success stories; today, it is now understood to be the European Union's only autocracy.

Hungarian democracy did not die of natural causes. It was murdered by Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, who seized control of nearly every aspect of state power and twisted it into cowtools. Not just the obvious things, like Hungary's public broadcaster and judiciary, but other areas --- like its tax administration and the offices regulating higher education.

Bit by bit, piece by piece, Orbán --- whose support Trump regularly touts --- subtly took a democracy and replaced it with something different.

In this, he was a trailblazer, creating a blueprint of going from democracy to autocracy that has been followed, to varying degrees of success, by leaders in countries as diverse as Brazil, India, Israel, and Poland.

The central question of this election is whether voters will grant former President Donald Trump the power to resume his efforts to place the United States on this list.

A predictable crisis\

Trump's statements and policy documents like Project 2025 amount to a systematic Orbánist program for turning the government into an extension of his personal will. Their most fundamental proposal, a revival of Trump's never-implemented Schedule F order, would permit the firing of upward of 50,000 career civil servants.

This is the kind of thing that's easy to dismiss as so much insider Washington drama, but the stakes are sky-high: Beyond hindering the basic functions of government that millions of people depend on, politicizing the civil service is a critical step toward consolidating the power needed to build an autocracy.

Democratic collapse nowadays isn't a matter of abolishing elections and declaring oneself dictator, but rather stealthily hollowing out a democratic system so it's harder and harder for the opposition to win. This strategy requires full control over the state and the bureaucracy: That means having the right staff in the right places who can use their power to erode democracy's core functions.

Trump and his team have plans to do just that. They have discussed everything from prosecuting local election administrators to using regulatory authority for "retribution" against corporations that cross him --- all steps that would depend, crucially, on replacing nonpartisan civil servants who would resist such orders with loyalists.

How far Washington would travel down the Budapest road is very hard to say. It would depend on a variety of factors that are difficult to foresee, ranging from the competence of Trump's chosen appointees to the degree of resistance he faces from the judiciary.

But even if there's a reasonable chance that the worst case might be avoided, the danger remains serious. With specific plans for autocratization already in place, and a recent grant of criminal immunity from the Supreme Court, there's every reason to treat a second Trump term as an extinction-level threat to American democracy.

This assault on democracy didn't come out of nowhere. My recent book on democracy, The Reactionary Spirit, argues that rising political antagonism in America is a perennial outgrowth of its defining conflict over race and national identity --- with the current round of conflict sparked largely (albeit not entirely) by backlash to Barack Obama's 2008 victory.

The sense among some Americans that they were losing their country to something new, defined by a more diverse population and a more equal social hierarchy, made the idea of a strongman who could roll back change quite appealing to a significant chunk of the American population. These voters had come to constitute a plurality, if not an outright majority, of Republican primary voters --- creating the conditions for Trump to rise.

In 2016, Trump seized on this reactionary discontent and married it to a whole-scale agenda of backlash against the current political order. His policies and political rhetoric --- on everything from immigration to gender to trade to foreign policy --- were calculated to deepen America's divisions and mainstream ideas once consigned to the fringes.

As potent as this politics proved, it's likely Trump never really expected it to take him all the way to the White House. He had done very little transition work --- nothing like Project 2025 existed. His team was scrambling from the second the contest was called in their favor.

The president himself was unfamiliar with how American democracy worked and largely uninterested in learning the details. So in his first term, he haphazardly yanked at its foundations --- flagrantly assailing basic democratic norms of conduct and installing an incoherent policy process that made it very difficult to rely on any expectation of neutral, stable governance.

The results? Rising tensions between citizens and declining faith in government institutions, in part because government had become legitimately less reliable. There were several near-miss crises --- people forget how close we were to nuclear war with North Korea in 2017 --- and then two very real ones: a botched pandemic response and a democracy-shaking riot at the Capitol.

When critics warn about Trump's threat, the constant rejoinder is that democracy already survived four years of Trump in office. In fact, democracy did not emerge unscathed from Trump's first term.

And, perhaps more importantly, there are many reasons to believe that a second Trump term would be far more dangerous than the first --- starting with the degree of authoritarian preparation that's already gone into it.

A toddler grown into a saboteur\

If the first Trump term was akin to the random destruction of a toddler, a second would be more like the deliberate demolition of a saboteur. With the benefit of four years of governing experience and four more years of planning, Trump and his team have concluded that the problem with their first game of Jenga was that they simply did not remove enough of democracy's blocks.

I do not think that, over the course of four more years, Trump could use these plans to successfully build a fascist state that would jail critics and install himself in power indefinitely. This is in part because of the size and complexity of the American state, and in part because that's not really the kind of authoritarianism that works in democracies nowadays.

But over the course of those years, he could yank out so many of American democracy's basic building blocks that the system really could be pushed to the brink of collapse.

He could quite plausibly create a political environment that tilts electoral contests (even more) in the GOP's favor --- accelerating dangerous and destabilizing partisan conflict over the very rules of the political game. He could compromise media outlets, especially government or billionaire-owned ones. He could wreck the government's ability to perform basic tasks, ranging from managing pollution to safely storing nuclear weapons.

The damage could be immediately catastrophic in ways we saw in the first term: political violence and mass death (from war, a crank-controlled public health system, or any number of other things). But even if the very worst-case scenarios were avoided, the structural damage to the tower of American democracy could be long-lasting --- undoing the complex and mutually supporting processes that work to keep democracy alive.

When government reliably and neutrally delivers core services, people tend to have more faith in all of its functions --- including running fair elections. When they have more faith in elections, they tend to trust them more as a means of resolving major policy disagreements. When they trust election outcomes, they tend to grant a baseline level of legitimacy to the government that follows, making it easier for it to reliably and neutrally deliver core services. The steady house of democracy is built by the gluing together of these functions.

John Rawls, the greatest political philosopher of the 20th century, described this as a long process of trust-building that starts with a basic faith in democratic ideals. When people of all political stripes basically believe in the system, he argues, they start acting inside its rules --- giving others more confidence that they too can follow the rules without being cheated.

"Gradually, as the success of political cooperation continues, citizens gain increasing trust and confidence in one another," Rawls writes in his book Political Liberalism.

A second Trump term risks replacing Rawls's virtuous cycle with a vicious one. As Trump degrades government, following the Orbánist playbook with at least some success, much of the public would justifiably lose their already-battered faith in the American system of government. And whether it could long survive such a disaster is anyone's guess.

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>Try to jail the opposition

>Attempt to assassinate the other party's leader

>Appoint candidates without a primary

>Flood swing states with illegal voters

"The other team are a threat to democracy"

:#marseygigaretardtalking:

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Appoint candidates without a primary

You r-slurs gotta stop using this point. Political party's aren't a part of the legal system, they can do whatever they want

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You don't have to break the law to be anti-democratic.

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"Everyone in America was anti-democratic until 1912, the year of the first primary and the spiritual founding of our nation. Please donate to The 1912 Project, the chud answer to The 1619 Project."

:marseycl#uelesstalking:

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"Things were very democratic in 1912, back when foids and blacks didn't get to vote"

:#marseywingcucktalking:

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https://media.tenor.com/wMZnKU7tz2AAAAAx/i-love-it.webp

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CONTEXT:

  • this was /s

  • Empror Palpatine is a bad guy (media literacy!) and should not be emulated

  • have a nice day :marseywave2:

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Yeah but nobody cares about democracy outside of the legal system. If you want to be that nit-picky then Donald Trump hates democracy because he doesn't run his buisnesses as a co-op

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"Nobody cares that we didn't offer any real choice of candidate. We don't legally have to"

:#marseycluelesstalking:

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Yeah but nobody cares about democracy outside of the legal system.

Except when democrats sneed about "democracy" in countries like North Korea and Russia. Those also hold democratic elections that follow the legal system.

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they can do whatever they want

And what would you expect a pro democracy party to do? Would they gaslamp us into thinking the Curr president is ok and then remove him after a single debate with no vote on the alternative?

At some point people need to be honest with themselves. It's like a male feminist arguing they aren't as bad because they don't murder their victims after the fact

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And what would you expect a pro democracy party to do?

Presidential primaries weren't used at all until North Dakota in 1912. I guess we didn't have a democracy or pro-democracy parties until that state in that year.

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Remind me again, when could women and black people vote in the US?

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I'm not going to waste the rest of my Sunday arguing with a rightoid who has suddenly fallen in love with progressive reforms, but specifically the ones they think will own the libs this election (primaries).

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>Being pro democracy bad

:marseywingcuc!#k: :mars#!eyrofl:

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They can also make baseless claims the election was stolen, doesn't make it very in line with the democratic spirit does it?

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Yes, it was awful when Hillary ran on a platform of "lock him up." That was the day democracy died

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Yes Hillary famously spent so long in jail too

Can't forget all those "kids in cages" thing that Obama started either

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Those kids weren't running for president. Doesn't count :marseyindignant:

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Not yet!

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:#marseycope:

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It must be hard being wrong all the time

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I wouldn't know.

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Attempt to assassinate the other party's leader

:marseylaugh: :marseylaugh: :marseylaugh:

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You're right, "motives are unclear" and the guy's entire online history has been scrubbed. Could have been anyone

:#marseyshrug:

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Kamala Harris ordered that sperg kid to shoot at Trump

:#marseylaugh:

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Joe Biden, faced with a desperately failing campaign, found a useful idiot to try to kill Trump

:#marseyhmm:

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>Vox

lol, they've gone so far downhill since their founding. From mildly shitlib to 99% libtarded. :marseyembrace:

Trump's statements and policy documents like Project 2025 amount to a systematic Orbánist program for turning the government into an extension of his personal will.

The journolist didn't find anything incorrect with this after typing it. Curious.

Beyond hindering the basic functions of government that millions of people depend on, politicizing the civil service is a critical step toward consolidating the power needed to build an autocracy.

What happens when a party screams about one president in power for four years? Most civil servants are Democrat, and they sure as shit weren't boosting their productivity when Trump was in power.

In the absence of a party platform, the Heritage Foundation's Mandate for Leadership offers the closest thing to a blueprint for a second Trump term.

So a blog post is good enough evidence that their 700-page manual for Project 2025 is actually the blueprint for destroying the government by firing incompetent employees. :marseyshrug:

Okay, I'm done reading this crap. Thank you, OP. :marseyreading2:

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In the absence of a party platform

Also there is a party platform, it was actually hilarious how Trump confiscated everyone's mobile phones and forced them to vote to approve his platform on the spot, that involved not messing with abortion among other things.

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firing incompetent employees

Replacing meritocracy with a spoils system of rewarding loyalists doesn't make your employees more competent. This whole idea reveals Rufo as short sighted

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I didn't read it, but I'm sure their libtard interpretation is also wrong. :marseyshrug:

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If you think democracy is built on trust in systems, which is an all time low, and needs too be carefully preserved, y-you're a soyjak!!!

Not reading you're post, just calling you a fricking r-slur. Keep yourself safe, you waste of human rights

@Gruesy_Spoon stand with israel

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!nonchuds

@Gruesy_Spoon stand with Israel

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It's Christmas :marseyturkey: :marseyturkeyhappy: you Grinch :marseygrinch:. Spread some holiday cheer. :marseychristmasparty: :marseychristmasgift: :marseychristmastree: :marseychristmaself2:

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Tldr?

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@Gruesy_Spoon was mean too OP and challenged his sexual and mental prowess

@Gruesy_Spoon stand with israel

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If Trump wins, then this will mean that even in relatively good economic times with the country not at war that propaganda can manipulate the voters into delivering the results the propagandists want. Democracy cannot survive in this environment.

jesus christ

jesus fricking christ i hate redditors so much

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Democracy: the policies and procedures of the democratic party of the united states of amerikkka (merriam webster)

Yes i want the democratic party to end and thats what they keep calling democracy

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:marseyitsallsotiresome:

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Just lower the price of McDonald and Democracy will be saved.

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Kamala will democratically force all merchants to lower there prices and keep them fixed at affordable levels :marseyindignantwoman:

!slots1000

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Trump's statements and policy documents like Project 2025

:marseyrofl:

stopped reading there

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Tearmongering

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>nonpartisan civil servants

Free helicopter rides for anyone who believes this unironicly :marseypinochet:

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not reading all that I just want everyone to remember the quote:

When you substitute "democracy' with "self-interested spies and banksters running the country at their own will" it makes a LOT more sense FYI

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