IT'S CHRISTMAS TIME WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT 
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/08/us/politics/pelosi-harris-biden-open-primary.html
In an interview on Thursday with The New York Times, Ms. Pelosi said what was widely reported around the time Mr. Biden dropped out: that she believed it was implicitly understood that his exit would be followed by an internal party competition for a new nominee, instead of an anointment of Vice President Kamala Harris.
https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1gms5kz/pelosi_laments_bidens_late_exit_and_the_lack_of/
She was done dirty 
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Is anyone upset that the admin and media blatantly lied about Biden for years, or are they just upset they didn't get away with it?
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I think everyone got their comeuppance
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Both.
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I'm not upset
The dems deserve this. They must collapse and have a new leftoid party take their place
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This. We need a more progressive party, one that really fights for lgbtq rights.
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What we really need is an animesexual party
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They blatantly lied about his ability just because he had a stutter 😔
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Biden is fine. Obama forced him out and he decided to tank their chances along the way.
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Actually true. They were not expecting Biden to endorse Harris when he stepped down. They wanted a brokered convention. Literally dark Brandon sticking it to Obama.
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Idk. The dems are invested so deep in DEI that I don't think there's any way they could avoid anointing Harris, especially if a primary threatened to pick a dreaded white man instead. Claims they didn't want her and it was all totally Bidens fault smell like pure butt covering to me.
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Democrats pay lip service to dei shit but that always comes behind #1 which is winning elections.
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I wish. The Democrats have a million things that are a higher priority than winning elections. If they had a choice between calling their opponent a strag and losing the election, they'd lose every time.
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dems could easily get 65% of the votes if they cut out their DEI shit (which includes stuff like (1) penalizing cops if they arrest "too many" black teens for committing crimes, (2) the legally enforced systemic discrimination against men and against whites/asians on all levels of society except the very highest, (3) gigahon worship, (4) illegal immigrants over legal immigrants and natives).
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The only ones upset about these topics are terminally online culture warriors like you, and they'd never vote for Dems anyway.
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sure bud
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Dems actually believe their worldview and think "we should have picked a white man because that's what the public wants," while Republicans think "oh no it's a Black Woman, she's going to win all the women and minorities." Walz would have been devoured.
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Clearly not
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The main idea is that it took political eons (like 4 days) for Obama to endorse Kamala making it seemed he was throwing a fit and didn't want her in.
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If DEI people wanted to appoint Harris, they would do so in 2020.
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The DEI crowd would have been delighted with her or another box ticker, but there was an actual primary and the voters hated Harris, and the Carolinas went full Biden settling him as front runner. They did the next best thing and got Biden to pledge to have a black female VP
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Still the President, btw. And still probably more likely to do an NYT crossword on his worst days than Trump could ever in his life.
It's hard to deny that he's not sleepy, tho.
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Trump has never gone over a minute on the Mini and his Wordle average is 2.3.
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Trump's first Wordle words are always Xylem or Quirk or Bijou or Zesty, cos he thinks he's being clever. When he doesn't get it in two, he gives up and plans to do it in the archive later.
Trump can do the Mini in 10 minutes, and tries not to look anything up, but always does at least once. On Sundays, do not bother Trump: the maxi mini takes him all day. It is a White House rule to not ever allude to the supposed 'real' NYT daily puzzles.
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Lol, he knew what he was doing (for once)
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If it was all orchestrated to screw the Dems for betraying Joe, I reckon only Jill Biden has the deviousness and the malevolence to set that up.
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Well she did recently wear solid red...
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My queen
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Just imagine the passive aggressive pleasantries between Jill, Michelle and Kamala.
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I would rather they fight club it
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Pelosi took the opposite view, the 84-year-old Democrat chalking it all up to a "bad night" and that Trump is the one who really has mental acuity issues.
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It's weird we've always accepted politicians are literally always telling half or three-quarter lies, but that we're suddenly supposed to care when Trump tells whole or double lies.
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idk, I'd prefer that politicians at least respect my intelligence when they lie to me.
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Getting punched is still preferable to getting stabbed
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The DNC endorsed her, not Biden. And they did it because they had hundred of millions of dollars in donations that only Biden or Kamala could use. And they also did it because they wanted Kamala the whole time and they knew she wouldn't be able to survive a primary. How does anyone square this shit away with the fact that they obviously wanted Biden to tank in a debate before he had a chance to grab the nomination? They wanted Kamala and they wanted to give her as little clock as possible to frick it up. And she still did it. Have fun in California, kam-kam.
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You're either r-slurred, or doing a great job sharing low level misinformation
https://apnews.com/article/biden-drops-out-2024-election-ddffde72838370032bdcff946cfc2ce6
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A decision he surely made on his own
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Where did anything I say go against what your saying? Your quote that Biden endorsed her immediately doesn't disprove that DNC had her in mind from the beginning.
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*you're
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I was on a hot streak too. I think I won 20 Twitter arguments tonight. But you just had to come and rip the rug out from me.
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Just trying to help
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well biden also endorsed her yeah
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LLM != Landlord Messiah
LLM = Low Level Misinformation
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This shit keeps getting repeated, it's like hearing an old hippie talking about "chemtrails maan".
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Maybe I'm confused by what you're saying. But I'm pretty sure funds cannot be transferred from one candidate to another.
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They can depending on circumstances (exactly what money are we talking about) but even that wouldn't be an issue, every last cent could be spent on anti trump shit without filing a single legal document.
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See I read this from the FEC and I'm wondering how you came to what you're saying. Maybe there's is a loophole I'm missing.
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This isn't even a creative way of doing it, they could use pacs, they could issue refunds with deadlines, foundations, so many things could be done, money is just so much fun
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Okay but the new candidate is not allowed to communicate with thie new fund holders in any capacity, am I right? The new candidate's team would have to be completely removed with how the funds are used?
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Again, it depends on exactly what money we are talking about. All things considered (including the new rounds of funding a new candidate would warrant) the dem ticket would end up with more money, not less
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Actually, I can't even pretend my point isn't flawed. Now that I think about it, I can't say, "the DNC is in control of everything that happens" and then say, "well the money can't be used unless a third-party outside of the candidates control uses it".. I'll give that to you.
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They can't give it to another candidate but they could just give it all to the DNC directly. It's a grey area with accusations of such being used as slush funds but still. Worst case they give it to charities of Biden's/Kamala's key issues who could make PACs of their own and spend it there.
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YES AVALON WE KNOW
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...Fricker
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There
was something 
close 
to 300 million 
that only biden/kamala had access 
to per DNC rules. No way they can transfer it without having a real primary
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Sure, if it's "dnc money" there might be some bumps on the road, but I don't see the dnc witholding money from the party's presidential ticket.
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It is legally impossible
do you even vote
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Of course I don't vote, i know how people are really elected into office.
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I doubt most of them knew how bad he'd gotten. Anyone at the White House who deals with him on a daily basis would know, but geezers are very good at hiding their health condition. For example, the Shah had cancer for the last 5 years of his reign and nobody knew until the end.
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She's full of shit and just politicking to distance herself from the disaster. How often does a VP not get the nomination? An open primary against a sitting VP would likely have been a divisive shit show.
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Biden in 2016. Cheney in 2008, some guy named Alben W. Barkley in 1952. So it's rare but not unheard of.
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Biden and Cheney both chose not to run, that's quite a bit different. Harris clearly has far too much hubris to not run.
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Admittedly they were in a lose-lose-lose when the choice was made for Biden to stay in. It's doubtful Pelosi disagreed with the party line the day he dropped out anything more than a few passing comments, and she's kittyfooting around too much to say she wanted him to have never run for a 2nd term.
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Imagine not nominating a
BLACK WOMAN
and the outrage by idpol-addled Dem voters.
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If you told the me from 5 years ago that the DNC member I'd respect the most would be Pelosi, I wouldn't have believed you.
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you still shouldn't because she is lying to cover her butt
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Yeah, we're about to get a lot of "I actually could have saved the Democratic presidency if someone had listened to me" stories all the way up through every move Kamala made.
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Oh I don't, it's a low bar.
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He would have needed to get out like 2 years ago. Didn't Trump announce his run in late 2022? Neighbors be campaigning for 2 years now.
Maybe (if he's cognizant enough to think) he was worried he'd be considered a lame bussy and his presidency basically would have ended 2 years in? Like why bother working with him to pass bills if he's gonna be gone soon. Or he really thought he could float by like in the 2020 pandemic. Or the people around him (family, staffers) are just r-slurred and were propping him up to advance their own careers.
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Obama leaned on him after the debate shitshow performance. That's the only reason he got out. He was gonna run and he was gonna win. I still wrote in JBiden
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i'm still sending in ballots voting for him jack
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Dems wanted him to be a one-term or preferably resign early but the Bidens decided to stay in. While his health is clearly failing, I think it's probable he was drugged before the debate. The party wanted a primary so they could insert a glowie, but Biden chained them to the worst candidate in over 100 years.
Biden spent all his power doing it but everyone regrets fricking with him. Gigachad to the end which is why history will bury him.
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The first debate is historically the last week of September, Dems broke a ton of norms rejiggering things to get the Trump-Biden debate in June. The entire purpose was forcing him out so they could run a new candidate.
They seed fake conspiracies to cover up the real ones.
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we have the best conspiracy theories here at rdrama.net
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In
@FALL_WEATHER_IS_A_CHOICE's case, 
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Thats because we dont have glowies on here
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who do you think the party wanted as their candidate?
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Ironically the republican embarassment of squandering the midterms being obsessed with trans peepee probably helped them because that encouraged Biden to stay in
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in hindsight maybe not squandered. after two more years of trans pp everyone hates trans pp now, and repubs control all houses
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Ofc he did lmao this is why Biden rocks
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And the blame shifting begins.
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We need a Punished Biden Marsey
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Lol they didn't want a primary with the people just an internal important Dems primary which is literally no better
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Blaming Biden for the loss? Great for the drama stonks.
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Lmfao this is just party crooks doing everything they can to wash their hands off the failure and blame someone else. Biden is cruising the highway to heck at 90mph, he's the perfect scapegoat.
I bet Pelosi pushed for a direct nomination for Kamala at the time.
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hahahahahahahaha
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Can Lula run in the next election?
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Idk who that is
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Your president?
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#NotMyPresident
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Shouldn't that be in Portuguese?
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Biden should use his new imperial presidency powers to imprison this woman for chatting shit
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Snapshots:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/08/us/politics/pelosi-harris-biden-open-primary.html:
ghostarchive.org
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https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/nancy-pelosi-%E2%80%9Cdems-wanted-an-open-primary-but-biden-endorsed-kamala-harris-immediately-%E2%80%9C.5764817/:
ghostarchive.org
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I can't hear BIPOC anymore without thinking something different due to this site.
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How did they lose?
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There was a brief period where redditors tried to pretend that Biden dropping out after the debate was some political masterstroke because Trump had already spent a lot of time/energy on attacking him and now there was a brand new candidate or something equally r-slurred.
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I think what's insane about reddit nowadays is how they're constantly deluding themselves and falling for obvious astroturfing and propaganda. When I actually browsed reddit for fun in like 2012, it was kind of refreshing how skeptical everyone was, even when it was annoying.
Nobody would fall for fake viral videos which were insanely common back then, conspiracy talk was common, and nobody trusted politicians. Even the idea of banning subreddits was universally discouraged because people were convinced that the admins would abuse this power.
Not like it was a particularly intelligent user base or anything, but there was at least a bit of healthy skepticism across the website. But the site changed in the next few years, and then by 2016, it completely became a propaganda vessel. It's just shocking how many people will see a pro-Kamala post with 25,000 upmarseys on /r/all from a brand new subreddit with less than 1,000 subscribers, and they'll think it's totally normal.
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Nancy Pelosi and refusing to take responsibility, name a more iconic combo.
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