Sister visited me midweek, for her birthday celebration later this weekend, and we wasted 3 hours watching the movie. We both deliberately avoided hype and bullshit from others, because talking about mainstream moron midwits destroying any good discussing the film even a year afterwards was filled by subhumans.
So we finally got to it and generally had a good time - i have a very good impression of the movie! And greatly enjoyed it.
However my opinions seem to diverge greatly from others including friends whom had talked about it or recomended it.
First at least 1/2 hour too long - i know i bitched about it in the Das Boot movie, making it seem I innately hate long movies, but I have watched very long movies like Good,Bad &Ugly or LOTR or Dirty Dozen,
instead to me I just despise having my time wasted by junk scenes, or cringe or when stuff just don't serve the narrative story. I know slice-of-life genre movies or TV are popular in their own regard, and that stories dont always need to actually serve narrative, but that doesnt count when you have heavy subjectmatter shit like Oppenheimer
My opinion seems to diverge from that apparently for many peeps the film peaked in the 1st 2/3rds of the movie, and that the last 45 minutes - when Oppenheimer faces trial/public-censorship due to national secrets having leaked from the Manhattan project to the soviets.
My experience is completely INVERSED! I really disliked the entire 1st Act - the 1st 1/3rd of the movie, but had a pretty great time for the rest of the movie, for the remainder of the last two acts involving the development of the Bomb, and subsequently Oppenheimer's trial and remorse.
My reasons: I understand the 1st act of the film was to build up Oppenheimer's character as neurodivergentally reckless and conflicted, to demonstrate his arrogance, ego and other character flaws, both as a young man, and as someone exploding with ambition, but so much shit is cringe in that act.
When oppenheimer meets important people there's so much fricking quipping James Bondesque fricking dialogue, somebody would say something to our protagonist, and he'll fricking reply in this double-meaning smartass fricking weird manner, which just brought me out of the experience, I don't know how to describe it to you dramattards?
Like fricking normal people do not communicate this way wtf Like does every fricking sentence in the 1st half hour of the movie when Oppenheimer meets and rubs elbows with, be in a smarmy double-meaning matter, oh my god
Like literally when i say the movie should have been shorter, i mean1/2hour cut from this cringe 1st act is where you would literally IMPROVE the film, cuz it ADDS NOTHING
Also, holy actual ungodly fuuck, every single scene with the Commie chick which Oppenheimer has s*x with on the screen literally is like that Wojak with his entire face shotgunned away (does anyone know the wojak/marsey for the one? )
Like [1] when they 1st meet and have this turbo quippy cringe dialogue where each says this super pretentious dialogue - who tf talks like that?
[2] But the worst was the nudity?! Like holy hells thank gods we didn't watch this with parents cuz we Was it REALLY fricking important for the fricking film for Oppenheimer to have his fricking "I am become death" during fricking commie-s*x OMG That was officially the most cringe scene I have ever scene in any movie this past year holy hells
Like if this was a 10/10, I'd immediately detract 2 points for that batshit scene alone lmoa, into an 8/10, or if it was an 8/10 movie I'd immediately detract another 2 into a 6/10 for that scene alone lmoa, and if it was a6/10 movie.....
ANYWAYS, the good stuff. The last 2/3rd of the film was pretty spectacular.
The middle Act, and the hype of building the bomb, the depiction of the quite literal mountains of resources needed to conduct the Manhattan Project, the depiction of the massive inconceivable amounts of expertise and scientific manpower needed to conduct the Atomic project was well done.
Oppenheimer's schizo management of a multitude of interlocking departments, and his navigation of strong scientific and military personalities was well presented. The build-up of the actual atomic testing, his recklessness with a lack of compatimentalization in the face of the perceived need to outmatch the Nazis in the development of the bomb and so on, whatever everybody seemed to like it.
For me I liked the 3rd act, because it was the physical manifestation of his Inner Remorse, the douchebag lawyer interrogating him in an almost comically villainous manner was forgivable for me, because it was the verbalization of his inner conflict, and expression of his remorse made manifested into reality.
I actually liked the AEC comic-book villain , who wanted to screw over Oppenheimer in petty vengeance, because the Actor Robert Junior is so charismatic, when he's not in a fricking Marvelslop movie, and is gripping when he wants to be. It also drove home the complications of the past an his associations with commie and 5th columnist groups whom had been a perpetual shadow from his past, which reflected actual historic reality.
Other miner scenes, like Oppenheimer's rebufment by Truman, played by Oldman, was also very engrossing and so on, so for me and my sister, the 3rd act didn't drag at all, and was engrossing, compared to the 1st act.
The triple twist at the end, of Einstein not actually having despised Oppenheimer at his lake meeting, but his face felling at Oppenheimer's confession of having initiated a METHAPHORICAL chain of events which would lead to the destruction of mankind, and not a chemical one ,combined with us the audience realizing that Einstein's face did not indicate his dismay with Oppenheimer, but with himself as well. As well as the AEC douchebag character also having read to much into that lake meeting moment,
made it a pretty good triple twist ending for the movie.
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Also i really hate these memes, I know 1/2 are in jest but i know 90% of morons upmarseying them haven't seen the movie
as the entire point and central theme of the 3rd act was the evolution of Oppenheimer remorse, after realizing the far reaching consequences of of not just the singular bomb specifically dropped on the japs, but how his personal actions had heralded an atomic age in conjunction with the reckless pandora's box he had helped open.
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To be fair, a lot of those memes were created before the movie came out. People knew the movie would show his remorses over it, and joked about the concept of tackling that. How could bomb that kills millions kill millions!?
I think most people liked the execution in the end.
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Truman was right
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ok so He built the bomb to kill krauts, not japs!!! Imagine how youd feel if you developed a revolutionary new termite poison and then they started using it to kill dogs at the pound
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oh god i wanted to kill krauts, NOT CHINKS
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Sounds like you've made a darn good chocolate bar at that point
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We killed more japs in just Tokyo with napalm than the two nukes combined
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