Yeah, Brian Herbert wrote a prequel series where humanity was conquered by a group of brains in jars called the "cymeks" and then their evil computer "Omnius" took over the universe. The first book in the series, which is set like 10,000 years in our future and was published after the year 2000, starts with a human character defeating an AI at chess because humans are "unpredictable."
Despite me dunking on Brian Herbert, some older Dune fans have told me that they always imagined the BJ as a war. I think people who talk about Dune online want to make the series sound as smart as possible, so they prefer the idea of a socio-religious upheaval, but the actual text doesn't say much either way. I think people's objections are more to the execution, rather than to him making a call about what the BJ was.
I started an effortpost a while back about how Brian Herbert wrote those 20 shitty Dune prequels to cope with his dad not loving him. It's like really obvious if you read his introductions to the newer editions of the Frank books. I never see this discussed online because Dune fans hate Brian too much to really notice or care what makes him tick.
Motherlover's already pretty old himself. He needs to write one last book where a group of green lizard aliens called the "Woopaneeps" invade from Andromeda and permanently blow up the Dune universe, and then spend his last few years in peace, free from the prison of his own making. It would be Official Canon.
A neo-luddite movement with quasi-religious fervor rebelling against tech moguls/companies, eventually banning AI is much more interesting and relevant than generic evil self-aware robots.
Another takeI had from the Butlerian Jihad was the whole overcoming limits of mankind theme which is present in Dune (Bene Gesserit, Mentats, Face-dancers) instead of relaying on computers.
I collected all references to the BJ from the first four books. It's surprisingly few, about one page of text, and half of that from the glossaries.
My interpretation from looking at all of that at once was that it was nothing like a war with Skynet or something. It was a rebellion against the "machine way of living". The planets were controlled by megabrains that valued safety and predictability above all and incentivised humans to be safe and predictable, so nothing ever happened. Basically the same what Leto II did, only he wanted and subtly encouraged the humans to rebel eventually and gain an immunity to this sort of civilizational trap, while AIs genuinely tried to breed complacent humans.
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The extended version of the old Dune movie has a narration by Frank Herbert that's sort of between the two. We have civilizational apathy and (at least partially) human rulers, but there are also robots dominating and oppressing people before being destroyed.
I think this is probably what a lot of people imagined. Brian Herbert pushed it closer to Skynet territory with the "Omnius" character, but there was precedent to imagining conventional oppression followed by some kind of robot war.
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Ive been half-heartedly doing Noirvember. Ive watched Double Indemnity, The Maltese Falcon, and Drive this week. All incredible films.
Going to have a dig through my collection/my hard drive to see what other noir films I have. Its a genre I love, just enjoying an excuse to go back to it.
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Watched Filth (2013), absolute kino you folks really ought to check it out. I don't want to spoil much but the transition from black comedy to psychological drama was so well pulled off, it really shows off Baird as a very capable director, definitely going to watch some of his other stuff at some point. It's really funny that I watched it straight after Clockwork Orange too, there definitely are very strong paralels in both the themes and the story itself, and overall I feel like Filth pulled it off better. Sorry Kubrick!
Speaking of Kubrick I also watched Full Metal jacket for the first time, decided to go through his filmography a bit. Really good film, but I think everyone knows that by now. Does a really good job of portraying the horrors of war that aren't just in terms of the loss of life but rather in the molding of personalities into the kind that thrive in the conditions of war, or in other words- turning people into psychopaths. Definitely very different from something like Saving Private Ryan or All Quiet on the Western Front
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I just finished watching Arcane S2 ep6, I think 3 more episodes are coming in.
I like it better than S1, some of the fight scenes are intense. I also dunno how to feel about Jinx, one moment I hope someone knocks her teeth out, one moment she shows a more human side.
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: Monk rules, the movie that came out recently was decent too
Detective Monk with my mother.
Not much to comment about this show, tbh. I guess one thing I would say is that I enjoy one-off side characters here much more than in most other criminal shows I have watched.
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YouTube's algorithm hit a home run. I have been watching women getting arrested largely bc they can't stop mouthing off in front of cops, which leads to resisting arrest and fighting cops.
The best thing I saw lately was The American Friend by Wim Wenders. Anything with Dennis Hopper in a cowboy hat is guaranteed kino.
Cop and a Half was not so good. Kurt Russell and McCaulay Culkin were almost in it, so they dodged a bullet. Great for 90s nostalgia though.
I re-watched the original gladiator. It's a good example of why r-slur movies can still be great. King of New York was also r-slurred but good. It's like a revolving door of future stars, and no woman can resist Christopher Walken with enormous hair:
I watched a Jap film called Cure that I gave a 9/10. It's really creepy, and the use of sound is positively LYNCHIAN.
The Jerk with Steve Martin was very funny. I also want to watch Bringing Down the House with him and Queen Latifah. My memory from when I was a kid is that all the humor comes from Steve acting black by getting corn rows and shit, so it should be a surreal experience.
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Just watched the South Park History Channel Thanksgiving ep with the old lady. Amazing. Don't think I've seen that one before.
And having just looked up the wikipedia of the episode, holy shit I'm so glad we're well past the era of the AV Club and IGN and all those other sites being sourpuss strags about everything. They all might still review TV episodes but no one would know, no one links to or talks about them at all anymore.
FROM season 3 finale was tonight and it was GREAT. I can't recommend the show more unfortunately it's only on what was EPIX and what is now MGM+ streaming unless you're like me and find your own alternatives.
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I watched the first episode of HBO's new slop Dune: Prophecy
!bookworms they replaced the Butlerian Jihad for some Terminator-tier "Machine War"
But other than that the show is ok I think, worse than the Villeneuve films but much better than the average TV content in current year.
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Wasn't it Brian Herbert who made the jihad from a distant myth to "Evil AI".
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Yeah, Brian Herbert wrote a prequel series where humanity was conquered by a group of brains in jars called the "cymeks" and then their evil computer "Omnius" took over the universe. The first book in the series, which is set like 10,000 years in our future and was published after the year 2000, starts with a human character defeating an AI at chess because humans are "unpredictable."
Despite me dunking on Brian Herbert, some older Dune fans have told me that they always imagined the BJ as a war. I think people who talk about Dune online want to make the series sound as smart as possible, so they prefer the idea of a socio-religious upheaval, but the actual text doesn't say much either way. I think people's objections are more to the execution, rather than to him making a call about what the BJ was.
I started an effortpost a while back about how Brian Herbert wrote those 20 shitty Dune prequels to cope with his dad not loving him. It's like really obvious if you read his introductions to the newer editions of the Frank books. I never see this discussed online because Dune fans hate Brian too much to really notice or care what makes him tick.
Motherlover's already pretty old himself. He needs to write one last book where a group of green lizard aliens called the "Woopaneeps" invade from Andromeda and permanently blow up the Dune universe, and then spend his last few years in peace, free from the prison of his own making. It would be Official Canon.
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Ill note that the description of the jihad says it was an upheaval against the people who controlled the ais not nessicarly an AM or skynet type thiny
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A neo-luddite movement with quasi-religious fervor rebelling against tech moguls/companies, eventually banning AI is much more interesting and relevant than generic evil self-aware robots.
Another takeI had from the Butlerian Jihad was the whole overcoming limits of mankind theme which is present in Dune (Bene Gesserit, Mentats, Face-dancers) instead of relaying on computers.
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Also fits into the theme of the book that technology, even things that ostensibly improve quality of life, is used for control.
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Yes, it's very clear in that regard but r-slurs and secondaries will still be "Well, you can't say it wasn't a Skynet terminator war".
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I collected all references to the BJ from the first four books. It's surprisingly few, about one page of text, and half of that from the glossaries.
My interpretation from looking at all of that at once was that it was nothing like a war with Skynet or something. It was a rebellion against the "machine way of living". The planets were controlled by megabrains that valued safety and predictability above all and incentivised humans to be safe and predictable, so nothing ever happened. Basically the same what Leto II did, only he wanted and subtly encouraged the humans to rebel eventually and gain an immunity to this sort of civilizational trap, while AIs genuinely tried to breed complacent humans.
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The extended version of the old Dune movie has a narration by Frank Herbert that's sort of between the two. We have civilizational apathy and (at least partially) human rulers, but there are also robots dominating and oppressing people before being destroyed.
I think this is probably what a lot of people imagined. Brian Herbert pushed it closer to Skynet territory with the "Omnius" character, but there was precedent to imagining conventional oppression followed by some kind of robot war.
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I've known more coherent downies.
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Yes, and the show is unfortunately based on his fan-fic spin-offs.
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Oh, so it's crap. I'll go enjoy something else then!
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it sucks. watch The Diplomat instead.
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The Diplomat trailer looks great
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no lie that arcane is really good, I've played and don't even like the sperg game but they managed to use it as a vehicle to make a very good show
it's the modern day reciprocal equivalent of Riddick: Escape from Butcher bay being a phenomenal game based on movieshit
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How is Gladiator 2?
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It's worth a watch imo. Some good fight scenes in there
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I heard bad things, but I'm still gonna see it in theaters.
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Ive been half-heartedly doing Noirvember. Ive watched Double Indemnity, The Maltese Falcon, and Drive this week. All incredible films.
Going to have a dig through my collection/my hard drive to see what other noir films I have. Its a genre I love, just enjoying an excuse to go back to it.
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Brick(2005) is an interesting film noir
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Watched Filth (2013), absolute kino you folks really ought to check it out. I don't want to spoil much but thetransition from black comedy to psychological drama was so well pulled off, it really shows off Baird as a very capable director, definitely going to watch some of his other stuff at some point. It's really funny that I watched it straight after Clockwork Orange too, there definitely are very strong paralels in both the themes and the story itself, and overall I feel like Filth pulled it off better. Sorry Kubrick!
Speaking of Kubrick I also watched Full Metal jacket for the first time, decided to go through his filmography a bit. Really good film, but I think everyone knows that by now. Does a really good job of portraying the horrors of war that aren't just in terms of the loss of life but rather in the molding of personalities into the kind that thrive in the conditions of war, or in other words- turning people into psychopaths. Definitely very different from something like Saving Private Ryan or All Quiet on the Western Front
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I just finished watching Arcane S2 ep6, I think 3 more episodes are coming in.
I like it better than S1, some of the fight scenes are intense. I also dunno how to feel about Jinx, one moment I hope someone knocks her teeth out, one moment she shows a more human side.
bpd hoes be crazy
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Jinx is BVILT for Ekko's BBC
But fr S2 needed to be at least two if not three seasons, the pacing shits the bed hard esp at the end
Still, the animation is very nice thanks Fortiche
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you'll like the ep7
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Shaun the sheep.
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Detective Monk with my mother.
Not much to comment about this show, tbh. I guess one thing I would say is that I enjoy one-off side characters here much more than in most other criminal shows I have watched.
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hey babe I found Bezerk on YT we Should watch it together.
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Star Trek: Deep Space 9, man the first few seasons were all over the place just like The Next Generation.
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YouTube's algorithm hit a home run. I have been watching women getting arrested largely bc they can't stop mouthing off in front of cops, which leads to resisting arrest and fighting cops.
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The best thing I saw lately was The American Friend by Wim Wenders. Anything with Dennis Hopper in a cowboy hat is guaranteed kino.
Cop and a Half was not so good. Kurt Russell and McCaulay Culkin were almost in it, so they dodged a bullet. Great for 90s nostalgia though.
I re-watched the original gladiator. It's a good example of why r-slur movies can still be great. King of New York was also r-slurred but good. It's like a revolving door of future stars, and no woman can resist Christopher Walken with enormous hair:
I watched a Jap film called Cure that I gave a 9/10. It's really creepy, and the use of sound is positively LYNCHIAN.
The Jerk with Steve Martin was very funny. I also want to watch Bringing Down the House with him and Queen Latifah. My memory from when I was a kid is that all the humor comes from Steve acting black by getting corn rows and shit, so it should be a surreal experience.
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Downloading The American Friend, looks good
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It's beautiful, and the lead actor is the guy who played Hitler in Der Untergang.
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I'm out of things to watch, fml
I must consoom more, but everything is garbage
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Finished mr inbetween, was pretty gud. Now looking for something else to watch
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I sat through Arcane season 2.
Now, let's make something clear, Arcane season 1 is one of the best shows I've watched. It gets glazed a lot and honestly it deserves it all.
Arcane season 2.... is offensively bad.
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Just watched the South Park History Channel Thanksgiving ep with the old lady. Amazing. Don't think I've seen that one before.
And having just looked up the wikipedia of the episode, holy shit I'm so glad we're well past the era of the AV Club and IGN and all those other sites being sourpuss strags about everything. They all might still review TV episodes but no one would know, no one links to or talks about them at all anymore.
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Fishtank season 3
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FROM season 3 finale was tonight and it was GREAT. I can't recommend the show more unfortunately it's only on what was EPIX and what is now MGM+ streaming unless you're like me and find your own alternatives.
Angkooey!
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The Killing 1956 by Kubrick
A great and simple crime movie, one of his first films. Has some great scenes.
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