https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sov8R9PNVwg
No write up or quick observation like last one I did for Return of the Living Dead. This one really speaks for itself, and I’m more certain will be unfamiliar to a larger number of you. This is one of my favorite spy films. Max Von Sydow is particularly excellent. If you ever wondered where Walter White got his threatening speech he gave to Elliot and Gretchen in the BB finale about “the scrape of a shoe behind you and then BANG, blackness”, he took it wholesale from this movie.
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Great movie. Rewatched it last year.
That feeling of potential danger is really well set-up in the whole film.
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You mentioned something that I wanted to come back to— “potential danger”. I find that phrasing interesting because he takes Faye Dunaway hostage based on that possibility of potential danger. I have watched the movie three or four times and obviously you know he won’t ever really harm Faye, but SHE clearly doesn’t know that, and it amazed me to realize… I can’t quite place my finger on a part or scene of the film that ever makes me feel “ok” with him or her being OK with the danger he placed her in. It’s like, this random woman gets pulled into intrigue, or potential danger, along the way understands he’s not going to intentionally hurt her, but.. I guess if there’s one thing about the film I guess I don’t buy is her willingness to forgive him for using her the way he did. She kind of just… buys in, doesn’t she?
Edit- maybe that’s a Hearst reference, it probably is. Just.. hmm, it’s been about a decade since I last saw it so maybe I’m forgetting something, but it just sits wrong with me thst she would fall for the guy even after she knows he’s telling her the truth.. he still got her into that mess.
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I think that's the part of the film that doesn't really hold up. They try to play it up like "He truly understands her unlike her fiance" with the photograph scenes, etc but it's a lot of suspension of disbelief to think this woman just loves him all the sudden after being kidnapped and almost killed a couple times.
Dangerous mystery man is the trope of the film and the film would be much worse if he just had some random friend to rely on. I think they sold it on the romance aspect to some extent as well so it did seem a bit forced. And it's not really played up as Stockholm syndrome either.
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I love the IMMEDIATE lack of agency and understanding of Redford’s character here, and that we are just as shocked and out of breath as he is. It’s like both the character AND the audience gets a crash course in spycraft. It’s just so amazing and oooh I gotta tell ya I have one more movie under my sleeve that maybe YOU never heard of, based on a WONDERFUL book series by Martin Cruz Smith.., the movie was called GORKY PARK. It’s awesome.
I’ll give you the trailer but I reserve the right to make a whole separate post about it:
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As an aside, I have noticed that we don’t have much in the way of CONVERSATION about these movies. I’m equally at fault, but I promise to be more engaged with other’s posts, if we think this hole is aiming to be a semi-serious (BUT ALWAYS DRAMATIC, ALWAYS PRO CCP ALWAYS TRANS RIGHTS) avenue to kind of halfway let the drama mask slip and actually discuss movies.
I just… I put coin into this hole (thank you
@AngrySteve) but think right now it is aimless but has GREAT potential not just to have good discussions about movies but to generate at least it’s own “tithe” of drama because hey— who the frick can ever agree on a critique?
Maybe instead of a free for all, we might consider SELECTING a movie for discussion on any given day (not blocking anyone of course from submitting what they will), but to FOCUS discussion in a way that engenders open discussion?
I’m up for anything, maybe especially something I haven’t seen, whether I like it or not. But I’m really hoping for discussion. I LOVE movies and great tv. Please let this hole be dramatic and good, not just a fricking vanity
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that trailer was dope, I need to watch this
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It’s AMAZING, and if you like this, I would suggest ANOTHER contemporaneous film also in the spy genre, also incredible but far more insular and claustrophobic— THE CONVERSATION with gene Hackman.
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Ive seen that one. My favourite spy movie is a french film:
its so good: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064040/?ref_=nm_flmg_i_4_wr
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Oooh shit, never seen this! Thank you!
Have you ever seen THE TUNNEL (Der Tunnel; it’s a German film) made about the east West German wall smuggling situation? Oh it’s wonderful, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tunnel_(2001_film)
And here :
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nah ill watch it thanks
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found an a good quality upload, decided to watch a bit of it:
https://5files.xyz/army-of-shadows-1969/
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Snapshots:
archive.org
archive.ph (click to archive)
ghostarchive.org (click to archive)
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Also— I’m dying to discuss this film or any scene with anyone else. I am kinda bummed the movie hole has so far just been a “poster board” of recommendation and not a place for discussion and, well, drama in the discussion
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