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I've noticed more and more traditionally published fiction with "content warnings" at the start, especially those "romcoms" with cartoon pastel covers and titles like "Felicity Sloane Shits Her Pants." Fair enough, if you don't want to be challenged in any way whatsoever you might as well know when a book contains triggers such as ableism, albinism, or parental neglect (discussed).
I wrote a r*pe scene of my main character years ago. I've read it again today and it still works. It actually makes me cry reading it but it's necessary to the story.
This scene, honestly, no one sees it coming. None of the supporting characters or the main one. I don't know how I would put a trigger warning on it. How do you prepare the reader for this?
However, this OP sounds like she's writing something a little more literary. Anyone who reads "serious" fiction knows part of the experience is hitting the completely unforeshadowed incestuous r*pe scene on page 284 right when you were about to recommend the book to a normal human being.
The comments at least tell the OP not to drop a trigger warning in the middle of the text, but most seem to favor one at the beginning.
Any good author who cares about their readers will include a trigger warning for this subject matter. I've even seen authors include resources for survivors at the end of their books.
I didn't know what to do about getting r*ped until I hit the end of the self-published Kindle erotica.
The one thing I will say is make 100% your SA is not used as a plot device.
Instead, make sure that it serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever and could be cut without changing anything.
I'm always a little unclear on what people mean when they use "plot device" as a pejorative. What elevates something (assuming that's what you're recommending) beyond a plot device?
Conspicuously unanswered. Writoids eventually start to forget that their characters aren't real and things happen to them for plot or thematic reasons, then bully each other for killing off the MC's wife's boyfriend "unnecessarily"
Do trigger warnings actually work, genuinely asking
It's a curteous thing to provide for readers. It shows integrity. If someone is unable to handle reading something that graphic, they're going to stop reading when they get to that scene anyway. We don't want to waste someone's time just because we want people to read our book.
As a writer it's important that as few people risk engaging with my book as possible.
So many authors forget the second and by far most valuable person in the equation: the fricking reader. If I read a scene that feels anything short of transcendental which overwrites the gratuitous emotional cheapshots at deep topics (domestic violence, self harm, sexual assault, etc) it feels like a cheap gimmick to make me feel more than I'm actually reading. It's lazy writing or clumsy at best.
And don't even get me started on the dog dying!
I'm struggling to imagine a context where a blanket content warning before a work could possibly cause undue artistic harm to the work itself. State mandated ratings systems exist in a variety of media formats from video games to movies to TV and I've never once heard a critic in those fields voice discontent that those content warnings spoil events.
MPAA ratings are just state-mandated trigger warnings
Lots of books have an author's note at the front with a content advisory. Some authors also have a page on their website with that information, and include the URL in the book. For example, here is the author's content warnings page for the novel Wilder Girls.
(The animals are not pupperinos.)
Not a fan of TW in general, but I can appreciate this approach. Don't put actual warnings in the book where somebody who doesn't want to see them will stumble on them, but put in a URL (or maybe even just point them to a page at the end of the book or something) and say "yo, if you're interested in TW go here" (-99 )
literally no one should be bothered by a content warning. if you're upset that there's a content warning, you have other problems you need to deal with
if a content warning is a spoiler, people have a right to be upset because it ruins the reading experience especially in genres like horror or thriller or crime. Not to mention that at this point, some people require ridiculous warnings for things like spiders, etc. Get real. Not to mention that actual triggers look different for everyone, for many people their trauma isn't triggered by description of something but other things such as scents, locations, etc. There's a huge debate in psychology about trigger warnings and whether they actually work or if they have a negative impact on healing.
saying "content warning: x theme, y theme, z theme" is not a spoiler. it's not like they're saying "content warning: character A does x thing and readers may be uncomfortable because of that."
also what's more important: mental health or a single event in a story
I get that there's such thing as doing a scene for lazy shock value. But honestly doing a "TW: SA " makes it look like you think the scene is just for lazy shock value and isn't a necessary part of the story. Do the scene or cut it. There might be cases where people would create informal resources for avoiding certain sensitive topics, but it shouldn't be writoids themselves preemptively deciding to spoil every mildly upsetting thing that happens in their entire book on the off-chance that someone might drag them on Twitter.
!writecel !bookworms How did you feel when you hit the incestuous r*pe scene on page 284?
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What the frick are these people reading? I'm tempted to comb through my library later and see if I have any content warnings in anything and if so I'll join the evangelicals and burn it.
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Women's #1 fantasy: being taken against their will by a ravishing, strong, dangerous, powerful man so awestruck by their beauty he acts on animalistic instinct
Women's #2 fantasy: getting attention and special treatment for surviving #1
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#3 is not having to work anymore due to a lawsuit pay resulting from #1 and #2
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no
#3 is fixing the guy from #1 and he is rich and/or powerful but now he's nice, kind, and fair bc she fixed him
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It worked for Scheherezade.
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What a happy ending
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We talking yt wymin or dramanauts?
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Foids all listen to true crime podcasts because they all want to be hard r*ped by powerful men whose motivation is to kill. Foids love surprise secks
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Outlaws of the Marsh tw/cw: chinese people
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It would be so funny putting ironic trigger warnings at the start of books like,
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The Chappelle Show already did this.
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I'm upset that they didn't warn me about all of the martial arts scenes. It makes me feel jealous because my Kung Fu is weak
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This guy has such little chi!
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Why did you block me?
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That happened?
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it's a chinese book sweaty
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CW: Nazis, Russia, War, Death, Guns, Starvation, Freezing, Blood, Gore, Illness, A general sense of uneasiness
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Even worse, a guy who has a loving family and accepts God after initially being an atheist
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I feel like "Russia" covers all the other ones
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There's Nazis?
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Reddit readers only read young adult novels and kindle erotica.
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Harry Potter doesn't have trigger warnings, and JK Rowling is a monster and her books aren't good, so it all checks out
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Why would your books have CWs?
Oh my god: do you own books published after the year 2000?
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Slash fanfiction mostly. That's where trigger warnings for stories first started.
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Soon we'll reach a point where nothing bad ever happens in a story.
Dragon Ball Z clips will have to be smuggled around the dark web because screaming and punching will be heckin unwholesome
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Nappa was a dramanaut
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They'll just redub the bad guys to be terfs. You can always punch a terf.
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Can't do that, Frieza very clearly goes through the stages of HRT.
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god remembering that rain who defended school shootings but was traumatized by gta gay jokes
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Wait what?
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It was some train on youtube i posted a while back that defended aubrey because of eden knight
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Who's Aubrey?
I also don't know who Eden Knight is but I came across this:
I didn't know that Saudi trans last that long to an hero
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Aubreys a school shooter but im too lazy to post the youtuber
And yea eden knight was forcibly detransitioned and unalived because of it then trains fedposted about “terfs” while ignoring the arab in the room
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No, we dont need to be that extreme. Instead, all books will be choose your own adventure.
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In the near future AI interactive stories will replace all fiction.
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And that's a good thing
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Some of the endings are bad, though. Trigger warnings will be necessary for readers who die in the book, because they are used to never having to deal with the consequences of their own actions.
TW: accountability, death, space bees.
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The choices will just have to be descriptive.
Turn to page 73 to see Katniss girlboss her way through the bad guys
Turn to page 123 to see Katniss gang r*ped into submission.
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Space Bees?
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Fiction readers deserve this tbh
Imagine depending upon one man's mind to create a world for you.
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Dragon Ball Z clips are still allowed outside the dark web?
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Sweaty, nobody is reading these books as literature anyway. But the content warning tags are really important to tell if you'll be able to get off to it or not.
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Hasnt it been repeatedly proven trigger warnings have absolutely no relevant impact and in some cases actually make people more likely to have negative reactions to things lol?
Its weird how wokies will latch on to straight up bunk like "microaggressions" and "trigger warnings" to signal virtue.
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at least “microaggressions” and “trigger warning” are relatively minor. the organic farming meme caused an economic crisis in sri lanka
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I don't care what happens in Saturday Night Live Lanka.
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Pretty much. For people with OCD and PTSD, ignoring triggers basically negatively reinforces their thoughts. By doing this they're not confronting their triggers. The thoughts become worse and so does their avoidance. This is the worst thing you can do for them.
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It also gives them an out for being an butthole. They're not bad people, it's just someone hit them with a microaggression without a trigger warning. So they were completely in the right to start a years-long campaign to ruin their life.
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every time i read a trigger warning it literally spoils whatever I'm about to read
i think the only real solution for people who actually need the warning it to have a digital lookup, where they only see if the title has a trigger warning for specifically their trigger
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Hate these people so frickin' much.
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Have some some empathy. It's hard for woman authors when their own writings are a reminder that their wishes go unfulfilled in real life:
Legacy foid and trans lives matter.
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Trigger warning more like n*gger warning
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Easy. Just drop a hard R BIPOC in the first sentence to weed out the kitties.
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First word of the first chapter. Actually, put it in the foreword.
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That's a good move but you wouldn't know I said that since you're blocking me
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Ngl the r*pe scene in chapter 2 of A Game of Thrones had me like I can definitely see why they aged the characters up in the show
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Writing a r*pe scene and/or any sexual act involving children (looking at you Mr King) should immediately get you thoroughly checked by the authorities tbh
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Dramneurodivergents moralstragging super hard about is always a little sussy.
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It's literally all we have. Everything else we can be shit on for but pedophilia? No sir
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Idk man, usually when I think of a good story, a 13 y/o girl getting gangbanged isn't at the top of what's necessary.
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Chuds have assured me repeatedly that the most important thing in medieval-themed high fantasy is historical accuracy: that means no BIPOCs, and tons of child r*pe. Sorry, but anything else breaks their suspension of disbelief.
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why wouldn't there be BIPOCs? every story needs the bad guys.
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Not that you're wrong, but it's funny to see all the r*pe culture types fume when some media actually depicts the r*pe culture.
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Vladimir Nabokov is CANCELLED
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Pointing that out is also pretty susdy
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same with all the virtue signaling about coomers and porn
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The authorities checked him with the fender of an Econoline.
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If the character were actually 13 in the show i could see the r*pe scene being illegal to put on film.
Which would be no real loss because its another one of those lurid shock value scenes that really doesn't enhance the story at all. I find that sort of thing fairly annoying, like weird torture porn shit that makes me feel vaguely uneasy because it's filmed like I'm supposed to be masturbating it. HBO seems to love that shit. I remember True Blood had a big problem with it too.
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'member that time Rightoids were outraged over a Dakota Fanning r*pe scene?
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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh who did this? why did anyone do this?
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Filmcels did
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French?
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They're pretty much the same yes
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I don't recall any on page r*pe in ASoIaF?
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The one with Jason Momoa of course
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Trigger warnings go against literally every best practice of CBT and exposure therapy. Avoidance is making these folks more sick.
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To be fair, it's performative avoidance and trauma most of the time. These are the people 'literally shaking rn'. Because victimhood is their currency, they need everyone else to know that they have Pain and Turmoil, plus it gives them an excuse to bully anyone who doesn't know to put the right warnings in for the right topics.
They're doing the wrong thing to get better, it's true. But the right thing is to stop being c*nts online and get a life.
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Why are you blocking me?
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kafka on the shore
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You having a r*pe fetish doesn't mean it's necessary for the story
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literally only important if u write genre slop
artistic intigrity every day
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I rip out trigger warning pages from library books if I see them.
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You actually are doing more good than harm because trigger warnings tend to make the vulnerable worse off.
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What does this mean? If a trigger warning effects you in any way you should keep yourself safe.
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I remember reading some study about the effectiveness of trigger warnings, and in general people said it made them more anxious when reading a TW as opposed to reading the "trigger" without the warning.
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If it makes you more anxious you should also keep yourself safe
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Easy problem. Introduce a new character, a gypsy fortune teller, who sometimes stumbles and swoons and utters "oooooh, I see a r*pe coming."
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This character sounds upsetting to those of us who have encountered people of theft.
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this makes it seem like it's people who survived reading the book and that perfectly aligns with how i see these people. they might not survive the printed word.
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Also, books? Far more likely fan fiction.
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found the incel
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Can we stop altering every aspect of our society to cater to these sniveling pathetic
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good literature makes you feel nothing
anything provoking a reaction from the reader is cheap emotional manipulation
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Another reason to not read anything written after 2000
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I'm convinced writers are the dumbest people on the planet.
Krayon sexually assaulted his sister.
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Me when I read The Brother's Karamozov and there's no warning for Dimitri smashing open the head of his dad with a paperweight
Fr tho to test any idea these idiots have about books just apply them to a classic novel and revel in how r-slurred the proposition is.
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I like trigger warnings. But only for ungodly things
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Imagine if fox's book of martyrs had a trigger warning on it for every time someone was burned at the stake?
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CW: Babies being ripped out of the womb while the mother burns.
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The idea of having a website that lists what your book contains is a good Idea, I know SA survivors who don't like books with s*x scenes let alone r*pe scenes and giving them the option to check isn't a bad thing
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It is tho, tell these kitties to man up.
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I've been reading "To Own the Libs" and the author strikes the perfect balance by putting a trigger warning warning at the front of the book, basically if you want to see the trigger warnings you flip to the last page to see them, otherwise youre welcome to read the book completely unspoiled
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what a bunch of kitty crackers
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I hate women and people who are basically women (soyboys)
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Honestly having a vague trigger or content warning at the front of the book for things that could actually frick up someone with PTSD seems reasonable to me. Like "trigger: r*pe, torture, hamas" or whatever doesn't seem like a terrible spoiler.
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https://rdrama.net/post/106610/some-of-the-weirdest-goodreads-reviews Reminds me of this
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trigger warning: all of them, don't read this book
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Any good author who cares about their readers will include a trigger warning for this subject matter. I've even seen authors include resources for survivors at the end of their books.:
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I'm always a little unclear on what people mean when they use "plot device" as a pejorative. What elevates something (assuming that's what you're recommending) beyond a plot device?:
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Do trigger warnings actually work, genuinely asking:
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It's a curteous thing to provide for readers. It shows integrity. If someone is unable to handle reading something that graphic, they're going to stop reading when they get to that scene anyway. We don't want to waste someone's time just because we want people to read our book.:
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So many authors forget the second and by far most valuable person in the equation: the fucking reader. If I read a scene that feels anything short of transcendental which overwrites the gratuitous emotional cheapshots at deep topics (domestic violence, self harm, sexual assault, etc) it feels like a cheap gimmick to make me feel more than I'm actually reading. It's lazy writing or clumsy at best.:
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I'm struggling to imagine a context where a blanket content warning before a work could possibly cause undue artistic harm to the work itself. State mandated ratings systems exist in a variety of media formats from video games to movies to TV and I've never once heard a critic in those fields voice discontent that those content warnings spoil events.:
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Lots of books have an author's note at the front with a content advisory. Some authors also have a page on their website with that information, and include the URL in the book. For example, here is the author's content warnings page for the novel Wilder Girls.:
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Not a fan of TW in general, but I can appreciate this approach. Don't put actual warnings in the book where somebody who doesn't want to see them will stumble on them, but put in a URL (or maybe even just point them to a page at the end of the book or something) and say "yo, if you're interested in TW go here":
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literally no one should be bothered by a content warning. if you're upset that there's a content warning, you have other problems you need to deal with:
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