Thoughts on "His Dark Materials" trilogy? Book and show :marseypolarbear: :marseywitch2: :marseypope: :marseyfedoratip:

!bookworms what are your thoughts?

I never read, I only watched the Nicole Kidman film and the first season of the show. But I did some wikipedia reading on their fictional world

>people have dæmons which are their souls living outside their bodies in the shape on an animal

>Jean Calvine became Pope and the Church, I mean, the Magisterium, became some totalitarian uber powerful org in charge of Europe.

>God and the angels exist and our heroes want to kill them because the Kingdom of God is bad, Republic of Heaven is good and Church bad or something.

!catholics thoughts?

I did like the victorian-to-dieselpunk aesthetics the film and show have with the dirigibles and balloons, even if dirigibles are gay.

@ACA can you ping the calvinists and atheists please?

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Edit: Frick it, I'll link the Black Book of Arda for any Tolkien nerds, it's pretty cool but terribly translated, two Ruzzian chicks with a lot of background in Philosophy and Linguistics wrote it. Tolkien would have had a stroke if he read it, though. He probably wouldn't be surprised that a Russian had this take.

https://archive.org/details/the-black-book-of-arda-english-v.-001/The%20Black%20Book%20Of%20Arda%20English%20v.001/mode/1up

Looks like definite fedorashit. Might be entertaining but probably not as much as a actual inspired book not developed by pure sneed.

Reminds me of a Russian book called the Black Book of Arda which was a rewriting of the Silmarillion from the perspective that Morgoth was trying to help the world. Kinda interesting although Tolkien would have likely despised it.

Asked about the crimes committed by atheistic totalitarian regimes, Pullman responds that 'they functioned psychologically in exactly the same way,' with their own sacred texts and exalted prophets: 'The fact that they proclaimed that there was no God didn't make any difference: it was a religion, and they acted in the way any totalitarian religious system would.'

So he's a /pol/theist

You've said you're not a huge admirer of C.S. Lewis or J.R.R. Tolkien, both of whom have written fantasies that in some ways resemble The Golden Compass. Is it fair to say those books have a somewhat didactic relationship to readers?

Ackshully, these books that were written decades prior resemble the Golden Compasa

They're often bracketed together, Tolkien and Lewis, which I suppose is fair because they were great friends—both Oxford writers and scholars, both Christians. Tolkien's work has very little of interest in it to a reader of literature, in my opinion. When I think of literature—Peepeeens, George Eliot, Joseph Conrad—the great novelists found their subject matter in human nature, emotion, in the ways we relate to each other. If that's what Tolkien's up to, he's left out half of it. The books are wholly male-oriented. The entire question of sexual relationships is omitted.

:#soysnoo:

Tolkien was Catholic, which meant that for him, there were no questions about religion. The church had all the answers. But Lewis was different. He was a Protestant, an Irish Protestant at that, from a tradition of arguing with God and wrestling with morality. His work is not frivolous in the way that Tolkien is frivolous, though it seems odd to call a novel of great intricacy and enormous popularity frivolous. I just don't like the conclusions Lewis comes to, after all that analysis, the way he shuts children out from heaven, or whatever it is, on the grounds that the one girl is interested in boys. She's a teenager! Ah, it's terrible: S*x—can't have that. And yet I respect Lewis more than I do Tolkien.

Yeah, well His Dark Materials is facile subversive slop (what if God was le villain because bad things happen to good people) with Bears in armor and the LOTR series are voted as the best novels of the 20th Century and the best selling novels of all time

>Tolken didn't pass the Bechdel test and there wasn't enough sexerino!

:#soyjakdancing2:

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I think I read a bit where it turns out god in his series is actually the demiurge, but then someone else also becomes god and is even more evil

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Holy reddit author, so he hates Tolkien and CS Lewis because they don't put s*x in their stories?

>If that's what Tolkien's up to, he's left out half of it. The books are wholly male-oriented. The entire question of sexual relationships is omitted.

>His work is not frivolous in the way that Tolkien is frivolous,

:#marseymagdump:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17208902696899135.webp

!bookworms I think Philip Pullman would consider takes like this to be more mature.

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FFS. I guess since there was no graphic multi-page long smut of raw degen s*x we wouldn't have ever known that Arwen and Aragorn loved eachother or that Beren and Luthien were in a deep romance defying the embodiment of evil for eachother!

!chuds :marseyraging: kill all coomers

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We all known Aragorn destroyed that elvish gussy and the rawfricked her doggy style but Tolkien was simply too prudish to write a 20 pages chapter about that.

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At least GRRM is a big fan of Tolkien and correctly points out that most people can't copy him because they're nowhere near as talented and it turns out to be shit when they copy him.

But he is a creepy need from the old days of creepy nerds before they felt the need to pretend they had no sexual thoughts for m'lady unless she approached them first, signed 20 consent forms, and also was within 6 months of their age.

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All :!marseytrain:s are pedos.

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A BBC documentary sheds a new light on the creator of Alice in Wonderland.

Sheds new light?

:marseystonetoss:

This neighbor has been sussy for decades

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Vladimir Nabokov said he based the Lolita p-do Humbert Humbert on Lewis Carroll.

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Photographing children naked wasn't considered weird if their parents were in the room. Anyone reverend Dodgeson had a taste for older women.

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He was talking about CS Lewis, not p-do Carroll

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My bad. Deleted

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Sorry for the ping spam !bookworms but holy fricking shit am I sick of seething illiterate atheists claiming Susan didn't go to heaven because she liked boys and makeup.

  • The former protagonists who'd been to Narnia were meeting up

  • Susan didn't join the others because she'd convinced herself Narnia was a game or delusion

  • The others died in a train crash before making it to Narnia

  • They appeared in heaven in the last chapter because they were dead and Susan was not

  • The comment about what Susan likes now is a dismissive in-character statement from someone who's annoyed at her for brushing aside her family, a whole alternate universe, and years of her own childhood memories in favor of a shallow and mundane adult life

Susan could certainly go to heaven whenever she does die. However, at a symbolic level she is hurting herself by harshly rejecting the things of "childhood," exemplified by Narnia and the fantasy adventure narrative itself. Her soul is in an unhealthy place because of what she rejects, not because of what she does

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There's a reason The Unwritten had Pullman as the main villian.

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