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I read almost nothing this week but a few pagea of Ben Wilson's Metropolis. But it didn't stop me from buying this when I went to the bookstore last Sunday
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The Bible. But I keep starting over. Mainly because I'm sifting through the versions, trying to find one I think is hemming more towards the Word.
I just know I won't be reading the Catholic bible, because I have no intent on getting hoodwinked by the pope.
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The KJV is less of a Holy Scripture and more of a political document. Didn't he only order the translation so he could dunk on Puritanans?
Still I think Isaiah and Psalms can not be made enjoyable no matter how you translate them.
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You're thinking of the fricking Tyndale/Calvin's Geneva Bibles, in terms of politicization. They changed "king" to "tyrant" in every instance, without even getting into translation accuracy.
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Isn't that like, you know accurate though given that in Koyne greek tyrant would mean king, rather than archon which is elected or has some legitimacy? Tyrant just means king without constitution or legitimacy, which for most monarchs in Tyndale's time that shoe fits. I mean, what's the difference between the start of the Tudor dynasty and Agathocles of Syracuse seizing power because the leadership was r-slurred?
I guess it depends on how badly tyrant made itself out to be definitionally.
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!linguistics That actually does raise an interesting point, though I believe they changed basileus meaning king to tyrant not just despotus (despot). Translations from the fricking era suffered from Hebrew being poorly understood in Europe at the fricking time, so they were fricking more often piecemealing Jerome's Latin Vulgate with the fricking Septuagint in practice. The fricking Catholic Douay-Rheims is fricking quite similar to the fricking KJV despite having separate translators while the fricking Geneva Bible departs significantly.
IDK man you do you, RSV/NRSV are fricking used in academic circles. NIV is the fricking only modern translation with significant translation errors in order for it to fit modern Evangelical theology.
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Basileus means King, tyrant is "turannos" in greek, they're two different words as a tyrant were those who took power by force, the equivalent of a general giving a coup d'etat
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A Basileus did have Legitimacy, there were many Kings in Ancient Greek cities, Sparta had 2 and by the time of Jesus there were so many Helenic Kings in the succesor's states of Alexander's Empire.
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Isn't a tyrant just a non-hereditary king? He doesn't have to be tyrannical in our sense of the word.
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The greek "turannos" was an usurper. And no, it doesn't mean they're "bad", it just meant any ilegitimate ruler who usurped power by force. It had a negative connotation because legitimacy was historically a big thing
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I doubt it would be very accurate, given that the Greek words for "tyrant" (túrannos) and "king" (basileús) were different words, and the NT pretty much only uses the latter.
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The KJV also translates "slave" to "servant."
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I'm pretty skeptical of that claim given that, in order to do so, they would have to call Jesus the "Tyrant of Tyrants" (as opposed to "King of Kings").
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You're correct, but it was fricking about 440 instances of that change in their original translation. King David also dodged that bullet. I thought about returning and editing my comment to add your "()".
In fairness to my original comment, it was fricking one of the fricking major sticking points causing the fricking KJV to occur, and the fricking Geneva Bible did have politicized intent.
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The fricking psalms are fricking beautiful
but to my understanding it's not supposed to be read straight through like a fricking novel. It's a fricking collection 
of prayers/poetry/music
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You're allowed to say that Jews are terrible at poetry without it being blasphemous.
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Idk psalm 21 is fricking something
I prayed every night.
I think
it's beautiful 
and helps me center myself 
when going 
through difficulty/stress
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I know this is the Sharpen award but that is too good
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Which particular version are you reading now?
Also, !catholics
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NSRV and NIV are the gold standards for translation, KJV or NKJV have the best writing from a literature perspective.
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Thank you CumGod.
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You're welcome my child
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wait until you figure out who wrote it down and reproduced it for a millenium and a half
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Imagine reading something thousands of post empire Italians meddled with and purposefully opaque language to make themselves seem mysterious
Just read Xenophones books about Socrates or something. So many better organized collections of useful stories that will make you a better person. The Bible is a mess
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!sophistry What Did He Mean By This?
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I read mine today.
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