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How women :marseyairquotes: conquered :marseyairquotes: the world of fiction | Books | The Guardian - AKA how even the lowest common denominator 40K :marsey40k: slop >>>>> than any fictional literature written by the hands of any woman on this planet younger than 50 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/may/16/how-women-conquered-the-world-of-fiction

"Hannah Westland, publisher of the literary imprint Serpent's Tail, says she's not always confident that there's a market for fiction written by young men. "If a really good novel by a male writer lands on my desk, I do genuinely say to myself, this will be more difficult to publish." She believes that the "paths to success" are narrower because there are fewer prizes open to men, fewer magazines that will cover male authors, and fewer media figures willing to champion them – in the way that, for example, Dolly Alderton and Pandora Sykes have championed female authors on their podcasts."

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i challenge even one dramafoid to name a single good compelling male character written by a woman 30 and younger, written within the timespan of 1995-2024

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Wizard Satan tried to kill a million people.

Harry was famous because wizard satan couldn't kill him and died instead

That's literal messiah levels of clout. Something that matters to men who've accomplished it because women care about it, but doesn't significantly matter to women who've accomplished it because men don't care if their date is successful or high status.

Which is why the fact Harry is the literal messiah doesn't substantially affect his romantic/social life. Because that's what would happen if he was a woman.

>and act as if HP was solely popular with girls like

You're either talking about children, who will praise anything you put on a lunchbox, or the HP world/franchise in general, which isn't the question.

I think the HP universe is fun world-building. I still know Joanna can't write a believable man to save her life.

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Remember they're literally kids' books tho. Like there's not gonna be a scene where Harry peepees half the potions class

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The distinction becomes pretty irrelevant when you go young enough, yes. "Is this male character compelling to men" isn't really a relevant question when both the character and the intended audience are pre-pubescent pre-humans that aren't THAT different.

I referenced the later books, because those are allegedly about a properly teenage Harry marketed to an allegedly teenage audience. And a believable messiah-c*m-teenage boy in that scenario would be a very different person. There are ways to cover that without turning the story into weird p-do content — struggles with ego, exes he doesn't talk to anymore, etc.

The "perfect package hero that doesn't act like he's a catch" is a typical feminized romance trope. It isn't at all believable to men, but it makes women feel good when you remove the competition from other women in their romantic fantasies.

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There are ways to cover that without turning the story into weird p-do content — struggles with ego, exes he doesn't talk to anymore, etc.

The "perfect package hero that doesn't act like he's a catch" is a typical feminized romance trope.

Doesn't he act like an arrogant teenager with an inflated ego though :marseyhmmm: One book he's all like "I'm fricking Harry Potter bitches DON'T disrespect me"

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no

he's pretty universally an insecure cute twink the entire series. the end just adds sulking to it.

any emotional aggression he does show is pretty much "gotta kill wizard satan c'mon guys" and not at all the kind of ego that would develop from turning into teenage boy rich-wizard-jesus-and-star-quarterback-in-coed-boarding-school

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It's "dumb dumb dore doesn't treat me like the genius superhero I am I deserve special treatment :chudtantrum:" and "why did my r-slurred friend become hall monitor and not me I'm fricking harry potter :chudtantrum:" and "why is my crush dating this Black Bvll :chudtantrumfast: I'm so much better than him I'm fricking Harry Potter :chudtantrumfaster:"

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all of that is insecurity and whinging, yes. those are things people with no self esteem say to rationalize the self-doubt it causes. ego is an excess of self esteem.

a good character in his ridiculous circumstances wouldn't care about any of that, as it would all be easily replaced by people eagerly waiting to be his tutor and friend and Mrs Rich Wizard Jesus Quarterback.

A struggle with ego that makes sense in that context would be something like him recognizing that throwing away everything that inconveniences him might not be best for wizard society

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a good character in his ridiculous circumstances wouldn't care about any of that,

Wrong. It's very reasonable for him to have low self-esteem since he knows he never actually did anything to deserve his status

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still wrong. esteem is a response to evidence of social success. the basis of that social success is functionally meaningless, which is why Fake It Til You Make It works.

deserve doesn't mean a fricking thing when you were broke and bullied two years ago, and rich, famous, socially successful and horny today. it's virtually impossible to have low self esteem while everyone and their mom is figuratively sucking wunderkid's peepee in that context AND life is a million times better than it was yesterday.

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I'm picturing it now. Harry Potter: Full Penetration.

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I think what you're referring to is not specific for female writing but rather a problem with the "chosen one" trope.

General audiences (again, I'm not talking about taste quality) love messiah characters but those are hardly ever fleshed out and typically portrayed as Saints. Take Luke Skywalker or Neo, blowing up the Death Star and killing an agent doesn't seem to affect their love-lives either. Luke is chaste monk and Neo has eyes for Trinity only and they all need to act humbly and have this "I don't want it" attitude.

I still know Joanna can't write a believable man to save her life.

Well, being realistic is another matter lol, no chosen one is "believable". I think Snape is quite realistic (broken home bullied kid, becomes a chud and joins a gang after his sweetheart prefers the jock and regrets it later), even if he's unflattering.

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If Snape had a wife he didn't like much and snot nosed kids he'd unironically be a pretty good character.

Still views Lily as the one that got away, and how much happier he would have been. Almost forgot about that before Harry showed up. Throws himself into his work so he isn't home. Bullies the kids because they remind him of his goblins. Turns coat when his actual family is threatened.

The "I guess I'm a eunuch if I can't have Jessie's girl" angle is a bit much, but he's not terrible.

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>Take Luke Skywalker [...] blowing up the Death Star [...] doesn't seem to affect their love-li[fe]

Star Wars nerds :marseyclappingglasses:: In the (good) EU, how in-hiding was Luke when he wasn't doing his job? :marseynope: Was he holed up in a base/ship 24/7 :marseyinabox: or did he live a semi-normal life by disguising his identity? :marsey4chan:

I'd assume that being public enemy No. 1 :carpsnipe: would preclude you from using that clout to score (non-sister) chicks if it would get you insta-killed :naziack: :bushnelltantrum: like in that MMO they made.

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He was hidding with the rebels at the Hoth base. I'm certain the rebellion foids would throw themselves at him as it they were on a safe place and already warranted as well.

Makes more sense than girls chasing Harry considering you weren't protected outside school and you could be targeted by the death eaters after.

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