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That's something an alien would say.
I been watching Voyager lately and it's just Brannon Braga run amuck with time travel stuff. Totally out of control. And Joe Menosky doing whatever insane thing comes to his head.
It's what happens when Star Trek fans get allowed to do whatever the frick they want but they at least more self-control than Nick Meyer.
!trekkies
Alien dinosaurs with MP-40s wearing Nazi uniforms? That's not the Star Trek I grew up with, but it has its place.
(BTW the Nazi guy's monologue was seriously the best explanation I've ever heard of Nazi ideology, even better than Hitler. There's actual quality serious things in the middle of the most insane shit that should be a plot for Danger Five like actual fricking Nazi dinosaurs in SS uniforms.)
!dinochads I don't care how old
@Cdace was then, I blame him for everything the Hirogen did.'
I mean ffs when is the last time you heard a guy praising space dinosaurs?
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Isn't it?
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Yeah, I'm not gonna make any arguments for "Patterns of Force". It was clearly just an excuse to use costumes they had in the prop closet.
I'm not joking at all about this. Some things when making a TV show are surprisingly expensive. Like the costumes because if you're doing the 1960s hot alien chick thing she looks great but the clothes have to be custom made and stuff. And then her stand-in (same height, hair color, skin color) needs to to physically stand there while the lighting guys do their work...
So there's extreme pressure to do a "bottle show" (a show that takes place entirely on the ship so no sets need to be constructed). And if we rob the prop closet we save even more. Note that on TOS they kept running into aliens who were like ancient Romans. Incredibly convenient that they happened to have costumes and props for thousands of people.
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That's what makes it so great, they're quite self-consciously putting on a show.
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Wait do you mean Voyager or TOS? Voyager was tongue-in-cheek, acknowledging that they're not trying to deal with serious issues (except for that 10% when they do and they're good. When I learned what they were trying to do, that's when I started to love it.
As for TOS, I looked this up and apparently it was an idea of John Meredyth Lucas. (He ran the show during the second half of season 2.) Which I find kind of baffling because Voyager actually has way more to say about the war.
Those were the last years when you could just call up the people in it and talk to them. Somewhere I got a 6.5mm round that some guy pulled off a dead jap and gave to me. Try that now and every r-slurred b-word school administrator will scream that there's a school shooting going on.
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I meant the original series. Voyslop has too much fanservice and tries to have an overarching story but it doesn't go anywhere.
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Yeah, notoriously the maquis thing is ended in the first episode.
I think they were pushing Neelix/Kes in the first couple years but I will not watch that. Two really bad characters that they apparently were trying to base the show on.
Deep Space Nine benefited a lot from characters that emerged because of the actors even though they weren't meant to be that (Garak, Damar, Dukat, heck all the Ferengis).
Voyager seemed to be strangely the opposite. They had a lot of interesting concepts for main characters, but when it came down to writing an episode it was always there's a shuttle crash and they end up fricking or something. This didn't work for me at the time. It was one of things where Mike Stoklasa says "maybe you don't notice but your brain does".
You watch a lot of asian dramas and you realize it's all about the romance and it's about 12 hours before the rich r-slur (he owns a hospital or somthing) and the poor r-slur (the scrappy hardworking lower class girl)
And then it gets into his mother-in-law. Goddammit Korean ajummas ruin everything. !asians
Look at the new characters on Voyager: You got 7 o' 9 (the producer's girlfriend)
You eventually get Icheb. I guess the writers were so fricking desperate they introduced another neurodivergent into the mix.
The only one who didn't suck was Naomi Wildman.
Little girl. Works if you're a human or a yoda a kitten
@Rad_juju .
Introduces no problems into our existing cast.
If we want a story with a kid in the future, we've got one.
I dunno, I watch some of these show and I've never written for TV and they know nothing about the business.
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i suppose it's not as outrageous as the episode where janeway & co learn the dinosaurs actually developed space travel 75 million years ago and are now flying around the delta quadrant in a big dinosaur mothership
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The amount of insane dino stuff that went on, i'm pretty sure
@Cdace was involved.
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Also played a role as an adviser for the Rick and Morty
episode with Dinos
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You went too far. What are mammals going to think of this?
Did this ever cross your mind? Or is your head too loaded up with ridges like a goddarn Klingon to fit a brain in it?
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Their plans
are beyond 
that of the minds of mere mammals.
The only thing crossing our minds is the coming consumption upon their return
from the plasma fold into our reality
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The thought association that goes into an average
@Redactor0 comment is as confusing as it is charming. 
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That's the nicest thing anybody has ever said about me.
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Episode number and some rough estimate of when, please.
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Hirogen nazi LARP was absolute kino and you will never convince me otherwise
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Oh link the monologue, I'd love to relive the 90s!
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
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Doesn't this actually happen again on Enterprise? He was really proud of that one.
Also random note, the Hirogen were originally depicted as like 8 feet tall, but when they dropped the mysterious aspect and started showing them in normal angles/lighting, they gave up and made them manlets
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I thought this was bullshit just because it's such a bad idea but I looked it up and and you're right.
From the perspective of a guy is just trying to get it done on time on budget, this is the worst thing you could do. You have to redo the lighting. Who are you gonna cast? I got a pretty good knowledge of 1990s character actors and if you wanted extremely tall you had Tony Todd or the bad guy from the X-Files. And every extra has to be that tall too.
It's an incredibly stupid thing for experienced TV writers to do. I don't usually diagnose other people but this screams stimulants. In that era probably cocaine. I'm not saying this lightly, having 8ft aliens on the show is not how sober people run a business.
You have to understand that making a TV show is a real thing, there's a heck of a lot of blue collar labor that goes into it. It's not run off some guy writing something on a napkin at a bar.
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