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The_ACA 1mo ago#7186190
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I found this book in the library with an introduction by a Civil War vet, a real war hero, (I can't find his name because google cockblocks you from actually searching for anything except local businesses) from about 1907. It's really explicit in saying that we're happy that the Japanese won because they won because they're asian, and Americans want asians to beat eurotrash imperialism. Also has some very accurate criticisms of Korea under the Joseon dynasty. The caste system, oppression of women, rampant forced prostitution, etc. It's fascinating to see how people were, to put it bluntly, way smarter and well informed back then. At least Americans.
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The_ACA 1mo ago#7186357
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One of the biggest legit conspiracies in human history is convincing Americans that they always loved Britain. Americans were very much anti-Britain and anti-colonialist until shortly after WW2. Why? Because we were among the worst victims. A huge part of our population was murdered by their war crimes in our war for independence. But this was just wiped out of all the history books very suddenly. You ever notice that nobody ever talks about the Revolutionary War anymore? This is the foundation of our whole fricking country but we never mention it?
(I'm just joking about the schizo part. It's been declassified that the British were making a massive effort to secretly manipulate Hollywood, the press, etc. inside the US to support them starting in WW2. And we have no idea when (or if) it really ended.)
Zap/abRedactor0 1mo ago#7186555
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War crimes didn't exist until post WW2. There was absolutely no shortage of war crimes committed on both sides of any conflict before then and especially 250 something years ago.
Zap/abRedactor0 1mo ago#7186868
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From a strictly legal perspective we kind of just made up the law posthoc and applied it to the Germans retroactively. There's a reason we don't allow this in most first world countries, including the US whose Constitution contains what's called the Ex Post Facto Clause. It's literally unconstitutional and definitely ethically questionable.
Maybe if the UN was created after World War 1 instead Hitler would have known that the Holocaust would be a violation of international law and human rights and not did it.
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Z 1mo ago#7186925
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I think there was something in international law about not murdering millions of noncombatant civilians before that. There must have been some technicality you could catch them on.
IIRC there was a proposal to keep the gas chambers going and put the Nazis in them but it was rejected as being not a good look. But I think anyone who appreciates a good story would love the irony in that.
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Z 1mo ago#7188419
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Maybe I'm just imagining that it's Miami Vice and Hitler is the bad guy and I'm Crockett and I've said "we can get them" and Lt. Castillo gives me a long hard look at then says "okay, you can do it".
[I was going to put the Miami Vice intro here, but you can't get it on Youtube. Yeah, it's on there, but they fricked with Jan Hammer's music which makes it worthless. Thanks for ruining my whole goddarn joke, copyright lawyers.]
But seriously, international law goes back centuries before that. It originates with sailing ships in medieval times. It leads up to the pre-WW2 understanding that we're not going to use gas against each other. (The idea that sickos would use it against civilians who posed no threat to them because... tbh I still don't get the Holocaust... was not anticipated at the time.)
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This is bullshit.
The first Geneva Convention dates to 1864.
There was also the 1928 Kellogg–Briand Pact, which banned war. Most Nuremburg defendants hanged not just for crimes against humanity, but crimes against the peace, i.e. planning and starting a war. This is why Hitler's successor Doentiz only got 10 years, because he was too low ranking before the war to have planned the war
Even before then, there were unspoken rules about conduct in war, including treatment of civilians and causus belli.
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Redactor0 1mo ago#7186420
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I've heard that even historians can't explain exactly why the American public came around to Britain at some point in the 19th century. Shared culture probably had a lot to do with it especially if we imagine a world where a more foreign power like Germany or Russia could have replaced them on the world stage.
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RWBY 1mo ago#7186472
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There were a bunch of crises with Germany around the 1890s where they were just being total psychos, trying to take over places like remote Pacific islands that had no value unless you were at war with America. And also they were making moves in the Caribbean, which again were obviously about invading America. The main reason we entered our relationship with the Philippines is that the Spanish told us "we lost it to the Filipinos, and we're going to sell it to either you or the Germans" and that's why McKinley pressed the button on that one. Germany was already regarded in America and much of the world as the primary threat to world peace before 1900.
And Britain was backing us up with their navy in a lot of these encounters.
Once FDR showed how big his polio ridden peepee was compared to Chruchill's whiskey peepee, they agreed WW2 would be run from Washington. It reversed the relationship and put UK in a subordinate position.
Churchill kept part of his focus on sending troops to India and other colonies to keep down revolts while it was at war.
The US is just gracious in its victory. Plus the Brits are useful. Fantastic intelligence program and special operations ninjas.
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Redactor0 1mo ago#7187710
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Idk where you are from, we literally spent years learning about the revolution and war of 1812 and how generally unreasonable Britain was about the whole thing. That was just in normal public education
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I found this book in the library with an introduction by a Civil War vet, a real war hero, (I can't find his name because google cockblocks you from actually searching for anything except local businesses) from about 1907. It's really explicit in saying that we're happy that the Japanese won because they won because they're asian, and Americans want asians to beat eurotrash imperialism. Also has some very accurate criticisms of Korea under the Joseon dynasty. The caste system, oppression of women, rampant forced prostitution, etc. It's fascinating to see how people were, to put it bluntly, way smarter and well informed back then. At least Americans.
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And then the Japs did the whole "Greater East Asia Coprosperity Sphere" meme and forced Koreans into prostitution.
I think the US was stoked on the Japs because (1) Commodore Perry, and (2) our entire Bill of Rights was an anti-European diss track.
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One of the biggest legit conspiracies in human history is convincing Americans that they always loved Britain. Americans were very much anti-Britain and anti-colonialist until shortly after WW2. Why? Because we were among the worst victims. A huge part of our population was murdered by their war crimes in our war for independence. But this was just wiped out of all the history books very suddenly. You ever notice that nobody ever talks about the Revolutionary War anymore? This is the foundation of our whole fricking country but we never mention it?
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War crimes didn't exist until post WW2. There was absolutely no shortage of war crimes committed on both sides of any conflict before then and especially 250 something years ago.
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Neighbor, are you justifying the holocaust?
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From a strictly legal perspective we kind of just made up the law posthoc and applied it to the Germans retroactively. There's a reason we don't allow this in most first world countries, including the US whose Constitution contains what's called the Ex Post Facto Clause. It's literally unconstitutional and definitely ethically questionable.
Maybe if the UN was created after World War 1 instead Hitler would have known that the Holocaust would be a violation of international law and human rights and not did it.
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I think there was something in international law about not murdering millions of noncombatant civilians before that. There must have been some technicality you could catch them on.
IIRC there was a proposal to keep the gas chambers going and put the Nazis in them but it was rejected as being not a good look. But I think anyone who appreciates a good story would love the irony in that.
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idk, I thought Nuremburg was effectively the birth of recognised international law
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Maybe I'm just imagining that it's Miami Vice and Hitler is the bad guy and I'm Crockett and I've said "we can get them" and Lt. Castillo gives me a long hard look at then says "okay, you can do it".
[I was going to put the Miami Vice intro here, but you can't get it on Youtube. Yeah, it's on there, but they fricked with Jan Hammer's music which makes it worthless. Thanks for ruining my whole goddarn joke, copyright lawyers.]
But seriously, international law goes back centuries before that. It originates with sailing ships in medieval times. It leads up to the pre-WW2 understanding that we're not going to use gas against each other. (The idea that sickos would use it against civilians who posed no threat to them because... tbh I still don't get the Holocaust... was not anticipated at the time.)
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This is bullshit.
The first Geneva Convention dates to 1864.
There was also the 1928 Kellogg–Briand Pact, which banned war. Most Nuremburg defendants hanged not just for crimes against humanity, but crimes against the peace, i.e. planning and starting a war. This is why Hitler's successor Doentiz only got 10 years, because he was too low ranking before the war to have planned the war
Even before then, there were unspoken rules about conduct in war, including treatment of civilians and causus belli.
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You mean Hitler would have done the holocaust even if the ICJ was around to say it was bad?
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It didn't end. Reminder to all !schizos that Breadtubers are literally funded by British glowies.
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I've heard that even historians can't explain exactly why the American public came around to Britain at some point in the 19th century. Shared culture probably had a lot to do with it especially if we imagine a world where a more foreign power like Germany or Russia could have replaced them on the world stage.
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There were a bunch of crises with Germany around the 1890s where they were just being total psychos, trying to take over places like remote Pacific islands that had no value unless you were at war with America. And also they were making moves in the Caribbean, which again were obviously about invading America. The main reason we entered our relationship with the Philippines is that the Spanish told us "we lost it to the Filipinos, and we're going to sell it to either you or the Germans" and that's why McKinley pressed the button on that one. Germany was already regarded in America and much of the world as the primary threat to world peace before 1900.
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Once FDR showed how big his polio ridden peepee was compared to Chruchill's whiskey peepee, they agreed WW2 would be run from Washington. It reversed the relationship and put UK in a subordinate position.
Churchill kept part of his focus on sending troops to India and other colonies to keep down revolts while it was at war.
The US is just gracious in its victory. Plus the Brits are useful. Fantastic intelligence program and special operations ninjas.
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Idk where you are from, we literally spent years learning about the revolution and war of 1812 and how generally unreasonable Britain was about the whole thing. That was just in normal public education
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