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Are you r-slurred? Dont tell me you are one of those people who believe there are nato forces fighting in ukraine now

My point was if the jets were as invisible as you are saying then they would been flying in Ukraine but they ain't

Well there are clearly nato forces in Ukraine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Aguto

As of December 2023 Aguto is being dispatched to Ukraine to improve the quality of advice afforded Ukraine during the winter offensive,[15] because Ukrainian officials have asked their counterparts for more "face time with senior military officials"

And thing is Ukraine didn't asked him to come to Ukraine since Zaluzhnyy didn't liked the US commands

https://theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/11/up-to-50-uk-special-forces-present-in-ukraine-this-year-us-leak-suggests

Leaked document that told there is low chances that spring counteroffensive would succeed also showed there was special nato forces in Ukraine

Last months there was leaked German talk on how they planned to hit Crimea bridge

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/02/europe/germany-leaked-audio-ukraine-scholz-intl

There are also tons of US soldiers that do training of Ukrainian in Ukraine

https://www.dvidshub.net/portfolio/1045061/anthony-jones

Then we also have this

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

So it's up to your interpretation. Are nato fighter fighting in Ukraine with nato flags ? No. But are there special forces fighting and planning defences and attacks on Russian ? Yes.

Many long range missiles controlled by west. If it wasn't so Ukrainian would had launched everything on Crimea bridge already.

You probably also missed how budanov and etc were promising to destroy the bridge before summer and UK telling Ukraine can use storm shadow on Russian soil and there was hype that on 7th May it will be destroyed but then Russia told it will consider it as direct attack of UK and UK backtracked and nothing happened on 7th May

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c163kp93l6po

So as you see things ain't black and white where you can just say nato ain't fighting against Russia
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My point was if the jets were as invisible as you are saying then they would been flying in Ukraine but they ain't

wrong premise and illogical conclusion once again. Ukraine is only being supplied with F16s nearing end of life in netherlands and norway, F16 A variants that only received mid life upgrade package. By your logic why are they only training ukraine pilots in F15, F18 etc?

So it's up to your interpretation.

Its literally not up to interpretation. Just because youre too r-slurred to know the difference between providing training and intelligence with actually directly engaging in combat. Not surprised tho since you people also wanted to pretend this war was only a special military operation. It is actually very black and white.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c163kp93l6po

Ukrainians using british weapons = british using british weapons ? Nice logic buddy

https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-new-speech-ukraine-war-transnistria-nato/

Btw why is putin telling nato not to send troops to ukraine? 🤔 Is he stupid? The KGB didnt inform him nato is already killing ziggers in ukraine? Holy shit bro u have secret intel u need to inform vlad immediately Dude i think u should take over command of the troops from him, clearly a master strategist would have taken kyiv in 2 days already

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