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Stronger yet is the final anthropic principle (FAP), proposed by John D. Barrow and Frank Tipler, which views the universe's structure as expressible by bits of information in such a way that information processing is inevitable and eternal.[4]

>assume the structure of the universe is expressed as [vague] bits of info

>conclude that [vague] information processing is inevitable and eternal

This is suppose to be insightful? Because it's kind of r-slurred.

The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is simply incorrect, or maybe it's telling us there's something weird a

How does this BIPOC not know what a point of reference is? If we were on another planet, it would also seem like everything is either moving toward or away from us.

@Geralt_of_Uganda, what the heck is going on here? It's all nonsense!

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!ifrickinglovescience, help! :marseyattentionseeker:

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Oh yeah some people go absolutely schizo with it, especially if you start invoking it to prove or disprove existence of higher powers. I'm not even gonna pretend that I understand what kind of argument that Barrow neighbor is trying to make (not because it's stupid but because I'm stupid), the explanation I put in my other comment is the principle in its simplest form I think

Wheeler had absolutely crazy ideas though that built onto this though, but it's genuine lovecraftian nonsense that I barely comprehend, such as that the universe necessarily generates itself through the act of observing itself, and argues that this explains the observation problem in QM

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that the universe necessarily generates itself through the act of observing itself,

>the universe observes

I hate it when the anthropomorphizing neighbors enter the room. :marseyshiftyeyes: The universe is a big collection of dirt and light. It can't do anything in the conscious sense. It's like people don't know what "act" means.

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It's kinda fricked up because despite how much of modern science is built on this concept, I'm not sure if there's a single agreed upon definition of what "observation" even means besides some handwavy "information about an event leaks... somewhere"

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dont particles "observe" each other when they are affected by each other in any capacity? where is this sapient thought thing coming from?

why is a planet existing with the qualities of earth mean sentience might be pre-determined? cant it be just because the universe is really big with a lot of combinations of any possible outcome happening somewhere? of course sentient life would exist in place where its possible, rather than not??

why would the fundamental laws of physics being the way they are considered a rare luck for us? arent they set in stone?

@TheOverSeether im going insaaaane BIPOCman help! :marseyeyelidpulling:

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@PoonstaryerCaribeaner youre in my pbs space time crew what do you think

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Because he's a pseud latviaBIPOC

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the data seems to support this claim:marseythinkorino:

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He's literally not saying anything, his entire explanation is complete nonsense that provides nothing of value. It's worthless philosophy, practiced by those who would rather wallow in their own misery then accept the greatness that is the improbability @Geralt_of_Uganda stop watching Rick and Morty

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There's just so many things in physics that don't make sense. It's more likely that the world is a simulation run on a Dyson Sphere than the universe works like we think it does.

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No lol

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Yes?

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:marseyandjesus: We're here to help you buddy

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Youre right, everyone who says otherwise is either religious or some I-fricking-love-science-cel who needs to believe in a higher power out there somewhere BUT NOT GOD!!! (religious but even more r-slurred)

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maybe I'm r-slurred but my understanding is the "observer effect" is different from how things work on a quantum scale when it comes to things "collapsing".

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it's a google away u r-slur

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@NO WHAT CHANNEL IS TNT

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>The universe is a big collection of dirt and light

There's barely any dirt, you anthropic r-slur. The universe is a fart.

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The universe is a big collection of dirt and light.

THAT'S THE SMALL PART OF IT YOU CAN observe...

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Yeah yeah, and dark matter, and dark energy, and my dark anus.

:#mariogoatse:

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!moidmoment

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:marseywords: This is all worthless philosophy, our systems plane lining up with things in the CMB is almost neat but is guaranteed to just be due to our horribly uninformed readings on all that so far away, like the neighbor says himself at the very end.

maybe the data is simply incorrect, or maybe it's telling us there's something weird about the microwave background results and that maybe, maybe there's something wrong with our theories on the larger scales.

:marseyagreewarpspeed: we don't even know what a :marseykente: hole do with the """"data"""" it sucks up into it's bussyhole horizon and those things are like right next to us everywhere compared to CMB.

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This sounds like an !anime plot :marseythebloodedge:

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It's kinda weird because it's been observed several different times in different ways and still hasn't been resolved conclusively, but there's no obvious reason whybit aligns with the plane of the ecliptic. It doesn't prove anything other than possibly maybe the (((universe))) is anisotropic

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anisotropic

Isn't the universe anisotropic? The cosmic microwave background radiation (whatever the acryonym is) certainly is not uniformly dispersed. We've mapped out superclusters, and those aren't uniformly dispersed either.

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The universe is not homogenous on smaller scales, but according to the standard cosmological model, it should be be isotropic and homogeneous statistically on scales larger than 250 million light years.

Should be is doing some serious lifting there

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The universe is not homogenous

!chuds

:#chuditsover:

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>The universe is not homo

Nah bro !chuds are back

:#chudsmug:

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Oh, but isn't that a useful basic assumption? It doesn't necessarily have to be true, but assuming it's true, then "such and such" follows. I guess the other clowns are people attacking the basic principles and wanting to supplant them with their own?

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Yeah, it's what the generally accepted model tells us.

The axis of evil guys aren't for the most part attacking the standard model, just going over observations and saying "why is it like this when it should look like this?"

There are agendacels who want to prove their pet theory but I think most people doing research just want to understand it better

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I'm just asking questions bro :marseyschizowall:

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Ask those r-slurs to reconcile their shit with Blue/Red Shift, Standard Model of Particle Physics, Relativity, or Quantum Field Theory.

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All a bunch of frickin crap

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How does this BIPOC not know what a point of reference is? If we were on another planet, it would also seem like everything is either moving toward or away from us.

that would be obvious, but that's not what that alignment between CMB and solar system "plane" of rotations is about

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What's it about, soosy? :marseylaying:

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We [...] identify the axis of the residual Maximum Temperature Asymmetry (MTA) (after the dipole subtraction) of the [..] CMB temperature sky map. The estimator is based on considering the temperature differences between opposite pixels in the sky at various angular resolutions ([...]).

We compare the direction and magnitude of this asymmetry with three other cosmic asymmetry axes (α dipole, Dark Energy Dipole and Dark Flow) and find that the four asymmetry axes are abnormally close to each other.

We compare the observed MTA axis with the corresponding MTA axes of 10^4 gaussian isotropic simulated ILC maps (based on ΛCDM). The fraction of simulated ILC maps that reproduces the observed magnitude of the MTA asymmetry and alignment with the observed α dipole is in the range of 0.1% − 0.5% (depending on the resolution chosen for the CMB map). The corresponding magnitude+alignment probabilities with the other two asymmetry axes (Dark Energy Dipole and Dark Flow) are at the level of about 1%. We propose Extended Topological Quintessence as a physical model qualitatively consistent with this coincidence of directions.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1211.5915

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