Oh yeah some people go absolutely schizo with it, especially if you start invoking it to prove or disprove existence of higher powers. I'm not even gonna pretend that I understand what kind of argument that Barrow neighbor is trying to make (not because it's stupid but because I'm stupid), the explanation I put in my other comment is the principle in its simplest form I think
Wheeler had absolutely crazy ideas though that built onto this though, but it's genuine lovecraftian nonsense that I barely comprehend, such as that the universe necessarily generates itself through the act of observing itself, and argues that this explains the observation problem in QM
that the universe necessarily generates itself through the act of observing itself,
>the universe observes
I hate it when the anthropomorphizing neighbors enter the room. The universe is a big collection of dirt and light. It can't do anything in the conscious sense. It's like people don't know what "act" means.
It's kinda fricked up because despite how much of modern science is built on this concept, I'm not sure if there's a single agreed upon definition of what "observation" even means besides some handwavy "information about an event leaks... somewhere"
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dont particles "observe" each other when they are affected by each other in any capacity? where is this sapient thought thing coming from?
why is a planet existing with the qualities of earth mean sentience might be pre-determined? cant it be just because the universe is really big with a lot of combinations of any possible outcome happening somewhere? of course sentient life would exist in place where its possible, rather than not??
why would the fundamental laws of physics being the way they are considered a rare luck for us? arent they set in stone?
He's literally not saying anything, his entire explanation is complete nonsense that provides nothing of value. It's worthless philosophy, practiced by those who would rather wallow in their own misery then accept the greatness that is the improbability @Geralt_of_Uganda stop watching Rick and Morty
I didn't even claim to subscribe to the idea, I myself said that there are arguments against it so calm your tits
greatness that is the improbability
Jesus it literally just says that instead of treating probabilities as independent you should treat them as conditional. It doesn't make any statements about the likelihood of an event, instead it predicts the likelihood of you observing an event. Similarly it does not offer any info on why things are the way they are so it is NOT and should not be used as an explanation to anything either
provides nothing of value
See my previous point, it does make predictions on expected measurements
There's just so many things in physics that don't make sense. It's more likely that the world is a simulation run on a Dyson Sphere than the universe works like we think it does.
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Youre right, everyone who says otherwise is either religious or some I-fricking-love-science-cel who needs to believe in a higher power out there somewhere BUT NOT GOD!!! (religious but even more r-slurred)
maybe I'm r-slurred but my understanding is the "observer effect" is different from how things work on a quantum scale when it comes to things "collapsing".
This is all worthless philosophy, our systems plane lining up with things in the CMB is almost neat but is guaranteed to just be due to our horribly uninformed readings on all that so far away, like the neighbor says himself at the very end.
maybe the data is simply incorrect, or maybe it's telling us there's something weird about the microwave background results and that maybe, maybe there's something wrong with our theories on the larger scales.
we don't even know what a hole do with the """"data"""" it sucks up into it's bussyhole horizon and those things are like right next to us everywhere compared to CMB.
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Oh yeah some people go absolutely schizo with it, especially if you start invoking it to prove or disprove existence of higher powers. I'm not even gonna pretend that I understand what kind of argument that Barrow neighbor is trying to make (not because it's stupid but because I'm stupid), the explanation I put in my other comment is the principle in its simplest form I think
Wheeler had absolutely crazy ideas though that built onto this though, but it's genuine lovecraftian nonsense that I barely comprehend, such as that the universe necessarily generates itself through the act of observing itself, and argues that this explains the observation problem in QM
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I hate it when the anthropomorphizing neighbors enter the room. The universe is a big collection of dirt and light. It can't do anything in the conscious sense. It's like people don't know what "act" means.
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It's kinda fricked up because despite how much of modern science is built on this concept, I'm not sure if there's a single agreed upon definition of what "observation" even means besides some handwavy "information about an event leaks... somewhere"
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dont particles "observe" each other when they are affected by each other in any capacity? where is this sapient thought thing coming from?
why is a planet existing with the qualities of earth mean sentience might be pre-determined? cant it be just because the universe is really big with a lot of combinations of any possible outcome happening somewhere? of course sentient life would exist in place where its possible, rather than not??
why would the fundamental laws of physics being the way they are considered a rare luck for us? arent they set in stone?
@TheOverSeether im going insaaaane BIPOCman help!
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@PoonstaryerCaribeaner youre in my pbs space time crew what do you think
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Because he's a pseud latviaBIPOC
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the data seems to support this claim
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He's literally not saying anything, his entire explanation is complete nonsense that provides nothing of value. It's worthless philosophy, practiced by those who would rather wallow in their own misery then accept the greatness that is the improbability @Geralt_of_Uganda stop watching Rick and Morty
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I didn't even claim to subscribe to the idea, I myself said that there are arguments against it so calm your tits
Jesus it literally just says that instead of treating probabilities as independent you should treat them as conditional. It doesn't make any statements about the likelihood of an event, instead it predicts the likelihood of you observing an event. Similarly it does not offer any info on why things are the way they are so it is NOT and should not be used as an explanation to anything either
See my previous point, it does make predictions on expected measurements
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geez dude go easy on him
misery or greatness are both philosophical doe
Rick and Morty issa good show! give it a try.
and tf2 is a hero shooter.
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There's just so many things in physics that don't make sense. It's more likely that the world is a simulation run on a Dyson Sphere than the universe works like we think it does.
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No lol
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Yes?
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We're here to help you buddy
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is earth older than 7 thousand years and did dinosaurs exist?
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Youre right, everyone who says otherwise is either religious or some I-fricking-love-science-cel who needs to believe in a higher power out there somewhere BUT NOT GOD!!! (religious but even more r-slurred)
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maybe I'm r-slurred but my understanding is the "observer effect" is different from how things work on a quantum scale when it comes to things "collapsing".
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it's a google away u r-slur
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@NO WHAT CHANNEL IS TNT
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There's barely any dirt, you anthropic r-slur. The universe is a fart.
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THAT'S THE SMALL PART OF IT YOU CAN observe...
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Yeah yeah, and dark matter, and dark energy, and my dark anus.
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!moidmoment
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This is all worthless philosophy, our systems plane lining up with things in the CMB is almost neat but is guaranteed to just be due to our horribly uninformed readings on all that so far away, like the neighbor says himself at the very end.
we don't even know what a hole do with the """"data"""" it sucks up into it's bussyhole horizon and those things are like right next to us everywhere compared to CMB.
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This sounds like an !anime plot
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