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Is psychology vague? Pyschologycels :marseycope: :marseyseethe: about the Replication Crisis

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It's less vague than sociology

Even psychologycels dunk on sociologycels :#marseydunkon:

Psychology is actually an extremely rigorous science, it's usually often more specific and rigorous than other fields of research because we're measuring intangible things such as personality traits and feelings and our subjects are real people. This means we have to consistently go above and beyond to prove things and take into consideration ethics at every step in the study design process.

"Rigorous" is a charitable term when replicability rates in social psychology are roughly 20-30% and in cognitive psychology are approach 50%

I also question the premise whether there is some more methodological rigor because of studying intangible things. That may be the case for those who study measurement and psychometrics, like personality psychologists. But there are an astounding number of psychology papers using unreliable and non valid measures to study intangible constructs which is part of the replicability crisis: the field is not more rigorous by virtue of studying something complex if it often doesn't do it well and many don't care about valid measurement

I'm very skeptical that this is a psychology problem, rather than a "science is hard" problem. To my knowledge very few fields have undertaken reproducibility studies to the extent that psychology has (but if I'm mistaken very happy to be proven otherwise!). So just because replication rates look bad for psychology doesn't mean it is less rigorous than other sciences.

Once example I'm aware of: A replicability project for cancer biology replicated 40% of the original effects https://www.cos.io/rpcb

!ifrickinglovescience !physics !biology how's the Replication Crisis affecting you guys?

https://old.reddit.com/r/AcademicPsychology/comments/1clwb0d/is_there_a_replication_crisis_still_2023_and_2024/

The replication "crisis" is part of the nature of statistical testing. Read "the nature of p." All branches of science have a replication "crisis" and medicine was once of the first to angst over it, not psych.

Do you have an author or link for "the nature of p"?

Not off the top of my head, but this touches on the same issues. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13164-018-0421-4

https://www.nature.com/articles/nmeth.2698

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/opinion/psychology-is-not-in-crisis.html

The basic idea is that a failure to reproduce doesn't mean the theory is wrong, and reproduction doesn't mean it is right. It just changes our perception of the strength of the effect and should motivate us to consider the likelihood that the effect is influenced by unexplored boundary conditions or moderators. We have learned so much and are able to do so many more things these days. Seems odd to say the field is in a crisis. It is like watching a bmw owner drive his car to the junk yard because the engine's timing is off and demand they crush it into a cube.

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Low effort nerd trolling is going to neckbeard STEMcels, getting amazed by their IQ (they'll tell you, don't worry) and asking them if they believe there are certain reliable ways of measuring it and inferring characteristics from it. If they say yes, force them to come up with an answer why they think psychology should not be a hard science equivalent to particle theory or nuclear engineering.

And then going to the STEMfails, telling them about how badly you were treated by stem people when you revealed you had an IQ of 73 but an EQ of 145. They will be instantly saying yes, IQ is racist, IQ is sexist etc. Then deliver the coup de grace by asking and pressing on about if IQ is so unreliable what makes EQ reliable. Why is an neurodivergent trait of pattern recognition being branded as racist when the racists are themselves low IQ and psychopaths are both low IQ and high EQ.

I can tag both the entire stem and non stem base of rdrama rn and they would still throw shit at each other even though literally the 3rd word of this shitpost was "trolling"

@nuclearshill could you please tag stemcels and sophistry underneath this post?

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!ifrickinglovescience !sophistry

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IQ boast was always r-slurred, it means nothing without effort and most people obsessed with their IQs are either Mensatards or 110-120 IQ redditors/stemcels.

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It's worse than meaning nothing. If you actually consistently score >130 on properly administered IQ tests you have less of an excuse to be a failure in life.

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IQ indicates less about an individual, but group average IQ indicates a lot about larger groups of people.

Even on an individual level, IQ is a good predictor of job performance, ~50% correlation across many different kinds of tasks.

(in DEI countries it is illegal too use IQ scores in hiring decisions. jewish lives matter.)

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Based.

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>EQ

Fake and ableist.


:#marseydisintegrate: :!#marseyflamewar::space::!marseyagree:

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What's up with the EQ cope, do redditors use it? The times I heard about it irl they were talking in a context of socialization and networking, which makes me think high EQcels couldn't care less about EQ testing, let alone IQ.

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Yes, it's one of the standard "IQ is bullshit responses", but with the exception of spergs it correlates pretty much 1:1

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part of the issue with psychology is that several "hard" aspects of the field have been spun off into their own independent disciplines within most institutions (cognitive science, neuroscience, neuroanatomy, psychiatry, psychopharmacology etc.)

in some cases this division can have a logistically useful purpose, like separating the clinical practice of psychiatry and the research discipline of psychology. However, in other cases it just kind of cucks the psych department by leaving them with fewer resources

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