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A tale of Two Cities. r/urbanhell discussing suburbs vs discussing Commie Blocks

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!architecture !engineering without getting into the merits of apartment blocks (I believe they're great for social housing projects), here's /r/urbanhellcels discussing the horror of American Suburbia. I partially blame films like "American Beauty" for this.

Where the F**K are the trees?! That should be illegal...

Edit: I see the trees now - Thanks guys, I thought it was all bushes and shrubbery. I didn't realize ONLY having small trees could disturb me so, Lol

Ok, avoiding heat island effect is something suburban urbanists should take in account.

Idk, maybe it's just because I'm British and quite young so the best home 90% of us could afford is one room of 15 sheds stacked on top of each other but I always though these were kinda nice. A little samey sometimes, sure, but they don't seem THAT bad.

In the uk i feel like you. Can access stuff easily via walking or public transport if you are living in such a small space. As that's usually in cities more culture etc. lived in Oxford n the housing is tiny but theres stuff to do outside yk? Idk

Lmao, Bongs posting their :#marseyl:

What depression really looks like

:#soyjakanimeglasses:

And here even /r/urbanhell isn't having ut anymore

https://old.reddit.com/r/UrbanHell/comments/10uskvs/sorry_but_american_suburbs_are_far_worse_than_any/

Y'all act like people can't walk 15 min to a park here, this looks a common middle to above middle income neighborhood. You know what you probably won't find here? Homeless doing drugs, gangs, traffic. This looks like peace away from home, they probably see their neighbors once a week. It looks like I can grill in my backyard all day long without anybody bothering me.

:#marseyhesright:

Now for commieblocks :marseystalin:

https://old.reddit.com/r/UrbanHell/comments/15kjnk3/commieblocks/

Unironically comfy

:#marseytoasty:

the fact all the buildings look the same height is really satisfying ngl

I thought they hated the sameness of the suburbs :marseyshrug:

Looks like afforable and healthy housing, dense enough to be serviced by public transportation. Could use a new coat of paint and some additional facade elements like shading and such. But overall, I love it.

It just needs some painting

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17250305435544646.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/172503054369715.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725030543922638.webp

:#marseysurejan:

I grew up in a 5 story Khrushchevka. It needed better insulation, but the actual urban planning was brilliant. Huge play area for children up front, close to stores and public transportation. Lots of benches and green areas. Beat the pants off any shitty American suburb with no sidewalks, where you could get run down by an SUV without even being aware of it.

SUV chads continue to make redditors seethe!

!anticommunists

https://old.reddit.com/r/UrbanHell/comments/fvn45q/moscow_russia/

Meh. The apartments in the photo appear to have balconies and wooded courtyard areas between buildings. There are millions of people in this world who would love to live in a clean apartment with heat and running water; apartments like these would be like paradise for them. If you think this is urban heck, you ain't seen nothing!

Fine, but it doesn't change the fact those buildings look hideous and probably need maintenance, they were build with pre-fabs back in the 1960s and have problems with insulation.

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  • DickButtKiss : no that looks like shit. houses are WAY to close together who wants to hear their neibhors frick?

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Maybe I'm crazy bc this is Austin and I think it's kinda arid there, but this looks like a fairly new housing development. I bet in a couple decades after the trees grow in and get taller than the houses it'll be much more pleasant.

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Redditors act like forests get clear cut for new housing as if they're not using old farmers fields for subdivisions.

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Forests absolutely get clear cut for new housing divisions lmao I see it happen all the time

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e-e-erm those were bad faith f-forests

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Not in TX though. It's always old farmland that gets sold off to build these neighborhoods

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Always?

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100% of the time, r-slur. Cutting down a tree to build a house is illegal is Texas so they need to get the farmers to do it and buy the field.

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For sure happens in the PNW but like...are there any forests near Austin, Texas?

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I still hate those new suburbs that put a fat house on an undersized yard. I much prefer older suburbs where you have room for detached garages, big yards you can spread out in and lots of room for boomer activities like tinkering on your lifted '99 Blazer (don't make em like they used to :#boomerportrait:) and having people over to grill and sit around a fire pit :marseygrilling2:

That said, it's infinitely better than paying rent to a Chinese PE firm that owns your soy box where you have to step over puddles of homeless semen in your entryway and you can't have guests over because you physically don't space for chairs

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Mowing fricking sucks.

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!homeowners

Any thoughts on robot mowers? I'm thinking about getting one to move the majority of my yard that's at a harsh incline.

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my robot mower speaks spanish.

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I just planted a bunch of wildflowers so I don't have to mow. It would be bee genocide.

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Sucks if you live near mosquito country

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Robot mowers (and honestly electric mowers in general) suck butt if you have a decent sized lawn. I like to mow though :marseyshrug: it's theraputic.

Edit: if you have a harsh incline get a self propelled mower or ride-on

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How much is decent sized? I'd guesstimate it's about half to 3/4 an acre that I want it to take care of.

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For 3/4ths of an acre, you'd be changing the battery on an electric frequently. Bite the bullet and invest in a ride-on mower. Learn to appreciate the act of maintaining and your role as a steward of the earth. Also it's a nice break from a nagging wife and kid (or husband if you're a twink idk). Literally about to mow my own rn good luck king.

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Pretty much. It sucks if it's a hot day when you have to mow (and it's always a hot day when you have to mow), but when you get that shit down to a dead even 3.5" all around, all the clippings pushed off to hidden areas because you've gotten good at this, stringtrim the shit into perfection, wipe off the sweat and grab a beer, the wife and dogs then come out in their bare feet and comment on how great it all looks... :marseysatisfied: !homeowners

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the battery on an electric mower can't even last long enough to mow 3/4th of an acre?

god darn that's a robo:marseyl: if I ever heard one

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Dude it's so bad. What's worse is the price of a replacement battery is as much (or more) expensive than the mower itself. Gas never let me down. :marseyboomer:

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If the ground was flat and not at a hateful incline there wouldn't be a question. I'm thinking the incline is "mower tumbles over onto me" territory.

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Part of the trick is finding a good "line" to mow. If you have a ride-on and you're doing an incline you go up and down, not side to side, to increase traction and prevent rolling over. For any impossibly steep parts you can just use a weed eater. Find a model you think might work and check YouTube to find an endless supply of boomers reviewing it.

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Frick lawns. The only reason you maintain grass is to sell your house to the next guy who wants to sell it to someone else while still hating the lawn.

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That's where the robot comes in.

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Robots can't pull weeds or throw fertilizer every holiday or lay weed killer.

Yet.

Still, grass is fricking fake and straight.

If you want a robot to maintain it then you don't actually want it enough.

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I remember a small town Husqvarna dealership having a few buzzing around their ditch driving by on the highway a few years ago. Looked cool

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/ I had extremely expensive fake grass installed matching the local grass species. You cannot tell the difference until you're standing on it. Great stuff and no more maintenance except for plucking the occasional weed and a serviced clean every 3 years or so.
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I just let my lawn grow r-slur long. I only mow it like 3 times a year. I also dont bag my clippings, i just let that shit fly everywhere. I assume my neighbors hate me but i dont really care lol

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I also dont bag my clippings

This is actually better for your lawn, tell your neighbors to enjoy the free fertilizer

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Reddit moment

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I like mowing but hate edging so I pay a guy to do that

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I'm so tempted to grass you for that comment.


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Why come?

Its one thing on a 70f day on a riding mower with 1/2 acre of flat grass but I ain't so lucky.

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Yeah kinda. Plus where I live all the grass just dies (and gets replaced by weeds) unless you pump water into it constantly over summer so I've just been replacing as much as possible with garden beds

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Check out Zoysia grass.

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Cute twink

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Just replace it all with crab grass or clover :marseythumbsup:

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I actually prefer attached garages because that way you can get to/from the garage without having to worry about the weather, plus it's more efficient in terms of HVAC.

But I agree on the yards. One of the issues I have with the luxury houses here in Chicago is they have literally no outdoors space at all. They could but instead they completely maximize the sqft area of the home. They could also put a nice deck on the roof, especially at the ~$2mil price point, but they never do. My takeaway is that the people living here just hate the outdoors.

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Austin is also a disgusting humid swamp with zero public land and a brain eating amoeba in their algae-filled slime lake so yeah, no shit people hate the outdoors there

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If you think Austin is humid then you are arap

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In what sense is an attached garage more efficient for HVAC than a detached one?

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You'll get less heat loss for the shared wall between the main house and the attached garage than if that wall was to the outside.

I'm assuming you're not actually heating/cooling your garage in either case. But if you have HVAC in your garage as well it's probably also more efficient to have it attached for the same reason.

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People would rather have 4000 square feet for their 1 kid than 2000 square and any space for social activities.

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What if it snows? You want to have to walk through it from the garage to the house?

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Pluses and minuses for sure. The biggest advantage of detached is it's way easier to have additional storage space or a shop setup, and if you are doing car work you have a space away from your house for all the mess

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Its incredible they can't plop a 7-11 in the grid to serve the mayofats :marseyscooter:. Just one :marseychonkmaxx:.

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This but unironically. Zoning laws should allow gas stations and convenience stores in residential areas. Would cut down on drunk driving.

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I just want a neighborhood pub. The British are absolutely on point with that, having a spot walking distance from you house for some cheap meals and a few beers would be awesome. I don't care if it closes at 10pm, it would be a nice way to meet a few neighbors and just chill

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Zoning laws are cancer, outside of extreme cases like building an oil refinery next to a suburb (also cancer)

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Kitty, it's why Houston has jobs and world class cancer hospitals

Keep the economy going

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Metastasize baby metastasize

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Why not put a bar in the middle too? Would liven up the neighborhood amd provide some good drama/fights to watch from your porch. Thats the dream, just grab your guitar and give them a soundtrack.

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Too noisy :marseyindigna!nt:

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They could easily put in some kind of plaza near the middle, surrounded by roads so nobody's house is directly adjacent to any of the businesses there. It would be such a great location too, I mean basically everybody in the entire housing complex that drinks will be there at some point. Same with like a bougie grocer or something.

I assume they get more money from building more houses though, since all the decisions are based on money.

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Decisions are restricted by zoning and zoning is slow to change. You can't just upzone a small part of your land (especially not in the middle).

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Ah good point, the developers would probably be all for it but the zoning likely restricts them.

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Like half of issues in housing rn are caused by local boards being incompetent and corrupt as shit, developers would happily meet demand if it were legal.

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I feel like they'd be able to increase the value of their houses this way but it's whatever

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It's about having your own place in a safe neighborhood while feeling like you belong to a community, without being completely isolated from it. There's also the point that you're not being exposed to any dangers of the city.

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You arent thinking big enough. Imagine having a bunch of drunk neighbors at 1 AM stumbling home and you decide to grill on your porch. That attracts the drunk zombies. Then you turn on your sprinkler system when they get on your property. See? Live, Laugh, Love.

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there is probably a gas station at the entrance to the neighborhood

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Very, very unlikely. These kinds of developments basically always just dump onto busy access roads. I've visited many and never seen one with any kind of business at the entrance, gas station or otherwise.

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Not mine though :soycry:

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Yeah this is the biggest issue. Should have a neighborhood restaurant or pub at least.

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Fat people would drive to it anyways

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Plus those commieblockcels can't math. Even if there was only 1 tree per single family house, they can't seem to do the math that there are about 6 trees per 100 unit apartment building.

!anticommunists !mathematics

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That grass looks thirsty as frick :marseydrinkwater:

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  • DickButtKiss : we have a thing called "bars..." it's the same thing as a pub genius

!eurochads !besties It's so sad how Burger suburbs don't have a single pub in them. How are you going to let loose with the boys in the local :marseycry: we have an old pensioner who's a terrible gossip :marsey: He's called the mushroom because you have to feed him bullshit and keep him in the dark.

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Why are people so comfortable adopting literal slave mentality? A suburb just objectively offers more freedom.

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But muh culture!!!!

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I would argue that the American version of commieblocs isn't suburbs but trailer parks

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The american version of commieblocks is... commieblocks

Manhattan, Skid Row, Chicago... they've got a little Hong Kong going on

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Chicago

yep

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini%E2%80%93Green_Homes

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They built these big commieblock apartments as public housing so poor people had somewhere to live.

The poor people committed a ton of crime and the area turned into blight. It was so bad that they wound up literally demolishing all the buildings.

Reminder that the places poor people live suck primarily because poor people live there.

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They tore most of those down because the minorities destroyed them.

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Soulless corporate apartments IMO

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17250497887299225.webp

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It's literally project housing

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>I grew up in a 5 story Khrushchevka. It needed better insulation, but the actual urban planning was brilliant. Huge play area for children up front, close to stores and public transportation. Lots of benches and green areas.

I grew up in an American commie tower. I'm sure it was all of that on the day it opened. By the time we moved in, the courtyard was a place for bangers, dealers, and other ne'er-do-wells to post up and have neighbor moments. Public transportation was 90% on the red line, so we had all of those same people, but also crazy homeless. The green areas had long since (mostly) been trampled bare by people too r-slurred to use sidewalks.

https://media.tenor.com/GftYN5SV9ZEAAAAx/this-is-america-childish.webp

>5-story Khrushchevka

looks a lot like O Block, but with two extra floors :marseynoooticer:

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I didn't know we had brothers here

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I was this:

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My brother and I were the only mayos in our grade school.

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re: those projects:

at one point 95 percent of the housing development's 27,000 residents were unemployed and listed public assistance as their only income source,

they literally contribute nothing to society

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Where the F**K are the trees?! That should be illegal...

Edit: I see the trees now - Thanks guys, I thought it was all bushes and shrubbery. I didn't realize ONLY having small trees could disturb me so, Lol

In a rural suburb im surrounded by forests in a shity there is like one tree every block and one tiny park in the middle of the shity. Texas is an fing desert it doesnt have vast forests r-slur

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Wrongf my part of texas is a almost swamp with vast forests :marseyindignant:

And both sub and full urbancels are subhuman

It's a ruralchads worlt

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Rural chads have the best food. Go down to the market get a fresh deli sandwich stacked with meat for 5$ and then pick up actually fresh produce. Plus at the community center farmers will just leave excess produce out for free

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Pineaggie

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coastcel

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Golden triangle strag

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This definitely would be a controversial opinion in rdrama since it is so aggressively anti reddit and anti communist, but I would unironically prefer living in commieblocks than those prefab Suburbia copy of a copy of a copy houses. At least in the former I would get two things.

One, the solace that I had no say or alternative means of housing and two, if everyone is living in the same design like a fricking NPC, at least it takes up minimal space and opens up the surrounding spaces where a community hall, an auditorium, a library, fountain, park etc can be set up.

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T. Never lived in a commieblock city.

spaces where a community hall, an auditorium, a library, fountain, park etc can be set up.

Hahahaha the only thing you get is a society of distrust, suspicion and backstabbing.

People dont understand what these blocks do to people psychologically. Its a human cattle farm, there is no feeling of privacy and individuality, you have your pod and dozens of other pods under the same roof, and subconsciously that makes it feel like being roommates with strangers, people you never see and that might as well be ghosts.

But hey, you have your own 4 walls at least, right?

No. All the dozens of other people will meet everyone visiting you, you cant have any privacy. When they come, when they go, all seen by dozens of unseen eyes behind thin doors or curtains.

And what you do in your home is also open to at least the ones living next to/above/below you. Relationship issue? Make-up s*x? Bad news? They know, and that means before long everyone will know.

Oh and that nice window of yours? It looks outside right at the next pod building, where even more unseen eyes are spying on you, intentional or not.

Commie blocks are paychological torture, they're the architectural embodiment of the total surveillance state that were the communist countries and couldnt have been designed better as such if they were made by the KGB.

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>is that a big building?

>AAAAHHHH I'M GOING INSAAANNNNEE!!!

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Save me BIPOCman! :marseylovecraftian:

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All the dozens of other people will meet everyone visiting you, you cant have any privacy. When they come, when they go, all seen by dozens of unseen eyes behind thin doors or curtains.

Motherlover that holds for all apartments in every big city in america (or anywhere else in the world for that matter). What, if you live in an apartment tower in Dallas or Melbourne or Vancouver or London suddenly people in the other units of your apartment turn blind and deaf to what you're doing? There's no politicking regarding the apartment complex association's elections?

And moreover it holds even more firmly for small towns. I knew half the people in the town my grandpa lived before I was 15 (and we visited him only twice a year). My grandpa knew literally everyone and what they were up to.

random reference to KGB torture

Truly :#marseychefkiss:

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Motherlover that holds for all apartments in every big city in america (or anywhere else in the world for that matter). What, if you live in an apartment tower in Dallas or Melbourne or Vancouver or London suddenly people in the other units of your apartment turn blind and deaf to what you're doing? There's no politicking regarding the apartment complex association's elections?

Yes no shit, apartment living is fricking terrible. Which is why aside from cost and proximity to work, everyone would choose a house 100% of the time. Anyone living in an apartment is just coping with their shitty lot in life, me included.

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Which is why aside from cost and proximity to work, everyone would choose a house 100% of the time

My parents live on a house with a nice large yard and pool. Yet my mom talks about wanting to buy an apartment so they can move in their old age, I honestly don't understand why, they can buy a single story house if she doesn't like the idea of climbing the stairs in the future (they're in their early 50s and in good shape lol). My dad rolls his eyes when she brings up the apartment idea lol.

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All apartments are commie blocks

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They're better than living in a wooden shack in a muddy yard with the same number of prying eyes like they had in Russia before

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:#marseycope:

By nature of population density there wouldnt be a fraction as many eyes. Amd subconsciously its much different to have your own property, even if small and shitty, than sharing your roof with dozens (if not hundred, for the big commieblock towers) of strangers

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Is it any different from a large apartment complex? I live in one of these and don't feel bad about it at all

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The commie blocks are prefab copies though. Take the Khrushchevkas, they're concrete paneled buildings. They're great for social housing but not so much if you have a better income, an issue with them is that they were meant to be replaced in the 1990s, so they weren't really meant to last. But then again neither are American McMansions which is why I'm biased towards concrete houses.

I think you would love the Brazilian condominios

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17250314969121614.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17250314973601997.webp

They're high-quality and have pools and sportive areas if you enjoy to interact with neighbors. Plus they're located in the middle of major urban centers.

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Living in Brazil is bad enough, imagine living somewhere where there are Brazilians above, below, and on every side surrounding you.

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Honestly I have a very positive opinion of Brazil after being on this site. I would like to visit some day.

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Aren't you just a cutie!

:#marseylainpat:

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Don't you do that in you tall building in Manaus?

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How do you think I know that it's so bad, my dear jigga? :marseycry:

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I don't know, I live in a big house with a big jardim and quintal and I barely have to interact with my neighbors :marsey:

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I live in a big house with a big jardim and quintal and I barely have to interact with my neighbors :marsey:

Literally my parents living in their condominio, except they're friends with their neighbors.

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neither are American McMansions which is why I'm biased towards concrete houses.

Wtf are you talking about? We got whole neighborhoods of 100 year old wooden houses here and they're still just fine.

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I'm talking certain types of McMasions made with poor materials. I know wood houses can last for centuries when done right while the thing with concrete is that the reinforcement eventually rusts (so we usually estimate a lifetime of 100 years without need of major repairs).

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My "new" house is made out of wood and is going to be 100 yrs old in 2030.

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Those types of houses really aren't as common as people think. A decently built wood home is insured for 150 years.

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if you enjoy to interact with neighbors

They are heck on earth

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I don't particularly like big residential building but I'll take it as long as isolation is sufficient and you don't hear the neighbours.

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The problem I have with condos as a whole is that deferred maintenance catches up and fricks you in the butt. Big buildings in particular- even if you have 100 units, a 25-50 year maintenance project can come in at eye-watering millions of dollars that just rock your equity

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Yes, those tower apartments are what I mean. I wouldn't mind living in an apartment if I get basic amenities plus access to a wide range of services which need space, like a swimming pool or tennis courts. Whereas I would absolutely hate living in what essentially is a commieblock, just separated by 3 meters of pavement and a fence and call it "capitalist housing".

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Why would you go swimming in a commie block pool? Public pools spread STDs. Youre gross.

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!chuds is swimming in an apartment pool a dogwhistle for Habbo Hotel?

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Why would i need a dog whistle for habbo hotel? Public pools are gross, your basically swimming in human soup from unwashed immigrant asses.

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:#marseyxdorbit:

:#marseyoctopus4:

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Its only bait if i dont mean what i say

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Obviously you mean what you say.

I don't like honey & I don't like that bee vomit shit are the same thing. One's bait, one's not.

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We have all that shit in the suburbs already. You can't possibly be suggesting that you'd rather get to the library 5 minutes faster than have a backyard for your pets and your kids and your grill.

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I'm saying I'd rope from guilt if I had the freedom to choose something other than the two options and still ended up choosing either.

If I had no other choice then I would choose to live in a block of concrete inside the city with everything I need within the shortest distance.

In short, i prefer vertical commieblock to horizontal commieblock

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So you don't like kittens and puppies. Really revealing a lot about your character here...

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if we take your logic and take it to its logical endpoint, the conclusion we'll be arriving to is that we should fine all pet owners in high rise apartments for animal cruelty :marseyletsfuckin#ggo2:

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Unironically this. Never met a city dog that was well adjusted.

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:marseyagree:

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Yes, we should

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But consider: one of your neighbours can accidentally burn your house down too!

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Neighbour I've had the misfortune in working in one of these https://maps.app.goo.gl/3dKZbmKYnNETnGq46 hellholes. The planners of these things set them up in the outskirts of the city as anyone in power did not want anything to do with them near them. And it was built with the paternalistic view that all the savages need is greenery around them to civilise them. But most of the inhabitants have to get crammed into either a lift or stairwell to access their properties, which kind of defeats the strength-through-open spaces philosophy. And my man Jane Jacobs was right. You could put those blocks on their side and build normal properties in the same plot of land. Anyway, peak design was achieved in the 1930s with the council semi detached and we have been reinventing the wheel ever since:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17250358306456058.webp

  • compact use of land but only one other property with ability to cause noise - fight them one-on-one if you do

  • nice long roads without cul-de-sacs takes you to the main road with plenty of shops and no need to use a map app

  • plenty of variety in architects designs, they knew to add a bay window or two or throw on cement render to mix it up a little

  • layouts for every taste, go 2BR with bathroom upstairs or 3BR with bathroom downstairs

  • solid non-cavity walls allow external insulation to be added if you believe in all that greeny nonsense

  • perennially expandable by use of attic conversion

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Exactly my point. The 12 storied blocks made by a government to cram as many poor people into the minimum space possible is somewhat acceptable. Taking out a mortgage on a 800 grand house which is the same as the 499 house surrounding it just sad. That's just premium-membership commieness. I would rather live 45 minutes out of the city in a secluded house I bought which has lesser square footage for the same amount but one which I can infinitely tear down, remodel and renovate without getting a HOA notice every week.

Architectural design variations, area and pricing variations, and the ability to modify your property as you wish are mandatory if you are to call yourself a property owner. If you can't, you're living in both denial and a commie system

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Our commieblocks are endlessly modded lol. My landlady was telling me there's an annoying lawyer who lives underneath us so once he's out for a while she'll start work on an extension. Elevators are put in, floor space is expanded often by 50% or even more. I live in a complex of probably ~1000 4 floor flats that were built around 1980s, by this point every single one looks different. Some got bought up totally by a single family and turned into a duplex. Some had ground floors converted into commercial plots.

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Are you feeling okay bud?

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Die commie die

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where a community hall, an auditorium, a library, fountain, park etc can be set up.

Can be, but won't. Instead it's more commieblocks

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Chinese style skyrise courtyard complexes are great since they come with semi private parks you can boot bums out of.

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A lot of them are really poorly furnished and renovated because :marseychingchong:s are poor. My studio in china is pretty good though,

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17250728701290228.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725072874169869.webp

I pay about 350$ a month for it.

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The ones I've visited/lived in were all basically gated communities with guards at the entrances but nowadays you can literally get in wherever by just wearing a delivery driver outfit :marseyxd:

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It's basically an invisibility suit more or less

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where a community hall, an auditorium, a library, fountain, park etc can be set up.

Lol. The only thing that might be nearby is a homeless shelter and a safe injection site.

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"at least we're all equally miserable"


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