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Evolution is so cool!

https://x.com/eyeslasho/status/1848004187247858090

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.09.14.613021v1

https://archive.is/bHhwf

!ifrickinglovescience !redscarepod !chuds

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You're just an uneducated r-slur is the problem. Debating "nature vs nurture" makes literally no sense, yet you dumbfricks spew nonsense like "INTELLIGENCE IS GENETIC!!!! RACE DIFFERENCES PROVEN!!!" You will never realize just how incredibly r-slurred this sounds to anyone semi knowledgable about genetics.

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There's been literally selection for almost every other part of the body. West Africans have more sickle cell disease because those genes give more protection against Malaria, people in tropical areas with crops shrunk down to being little manlets. Why would the most important organ, the brain, be immune to this process?

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Again your comment reveals how little you understand about genetics. It's absurd.

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R-slurs don't realise that gene expression is highly influenced by the environment.

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Moreso they don't realize just how complex the interplay between genes and environment is. The same genetic makeup could result in completely different phenotypes in different cultural contexts for example.

And comparing sickle cell disease to intelligence is obv just dumb af

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Do magic dirt next lmao

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What

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Explain how American dirt is actually magic just like how blank slatism is just misunderstood by the plebs

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Blank slatism is r-slurred not misunderstood

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Jeets in Canada :marseymaidchingchong: have proved that inverting an environment :marseyunless: makes zero perspective difference :marseypamsame: in how r-slurred :marseyautismchonker: they are


:#marsey:

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The problem is jeets bring their environment with them :marseydisgust:

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What side is making the presumptions? There's no serious race realist who is arguing the environment doesn't influence anything and all variations one perceives are down to inherent genetic differences, no race realist denies epigenetics either. What they do deny is the presumption that the races are inherently equal under a blank slate and the variations we see are due to structural racism and environmental influence.

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It's obvious nonsense to claim that racial IQ differences are caused (in meaningful parts) by genetic differences that directly influence intelligence itself (whatever this means tbh). The "evidence" people like you bring up always betrays a complete lack of understanding of the complexities involved.

As I said, even if you could pinpoint important "inherent genetic differences", the difference in outcome could well be completely caused by "structural racism and environmental influence". Obviously no one is a blank slatist in current year, but genes influence the environment, and the environment influences genes.

And pointing to sickle cell disease (or eye color, or skin color...) and comparing it to a highly polygenic trait like intelligence is just r-slurred tho u should know better lmap

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>It's obvious nonsense too claim that racial IQ differences are caused (in meaningful parts) by genetic differences that directly influence intelligence itself (whatever this means tbh).

The old cop-out, this is the game little children play too weasel out of an argument. "Well what is a chair anyway, a rock could be a chair, so could a stick when you sit on it" one says too the furniture manufacturer. There's no culture on earth where being called smart isn't praise and being called stupid isn't an insult. People everywhere, in all languages, in all cultures, have understood what it means too be smart or stupid.

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Literally read this book that looks into g, the common factor too what we call intelligence. People good at one subject or test tend too be good at others. People bad at one subject or test tend too be bad at others. There's over 5,000 genes known that code for parts of the brain, these genes vary in distribution between the races, just as races vary in mental ability. Too pretend this wouldn't explain a major part the massive disparities we see between groups is, as @Jared_Taylor said, racial creationism.

BLACK LIVES MATTER

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It's not clear what it means for a genetic factor to directly influence intelligence, independent of the environmental context.

There's over 5,000 genes known that code for parts of the brain,

Exactly. Quite absurd to claim such a highly polygenic trait would show meaningful "race" differences.

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Don't even try to argue with these r-slurs man.

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Being right is no use.

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I'm not arguing to convince them, I just want them to post more stupid comments without realizing how stupid they sound

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Don't try to tell them about reaction norms. It'll completely fry their brain

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There was that thing with peppered moths, pre-industrial revolution they were mostly white to blend in with the birch tree.

In comes a ton of coalburning and soot, trees get darker, and the moths with more peppering blended in better, which improved their odds of survival against predators.

Then we started cleaning the air and the pvre white moths increased expression


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>Neo-Lysenkoist thinks because epigenetics is a thing in some instances we're uwu wholesome blank slates.

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Who?

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Lysenkoism is commie fake science

Officials eventually put Lysenko in charge of Soviet agriculture in the 1930s. The only problem was, he had batty scientific ideas. In particular, he loathed genetics. Although a young field, genetics advanced rapidly in the 1910s and 1920s; the first Nobel Prize for work in genetics was awarded in 1933. And especially in that era, genetics emphasized fixed traits: Plants and animals have stable characteristics, encoded as genes, which they pass down to their children. Although nominally a biologist, Lysenko considered such ideas reactionary and evil, since he saw them as reinforcing the status quo and denying all capacity for change. (He in fact denied that genes existed.)

Instead, as the journ*list Jasper Becker has described in the book Hungry Ghosts, Lysenko promoted the Marxist idea that the environment alone shapes plants and animals. Put them in the proper setting and expose them to the right stimuli, he declared, and you can remake them to an almost infinite degree.

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Who asked b-word :marseyxd:

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To some degree but adoption studies have already been done and shown the environment has nil effect on intelligence

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Throwing endless money and resources to BIPOCs and seeing little improvement also showcases the failings of the egalitarian side. It's like how the Marshall Plan worked for Europe but all the foreign aid for Africa goes nowhere.

Environment has an effect when it comes to actual malnorishment, like experiencing a famine. Which can explain some of the reason Black Africans score much lower than African Americans on IQ tests, for example. There's very few BIPOCs living in the west that are malnorished to a significant degree. You can lower a group below their potential by stunting/malnorishing them, but you can't raise them above their potential by throwing resources at them.

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!jannies chud this race realist already. The only race realism I want to see on rdrama is anti-wh*te!

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The real race realism is everyone should frick Jews and only Jews

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Cute twink bootlicker poopskin :marseybootlicker2:

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!jannies new chud just dropped

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the only thing missing is a link to purchase The Bell Curve, hitler.

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>throw money at r-slurred bureaucracy

>doesn't do anything

Yeah, case closed there. Nigs are just r-slurred I guess.

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Wrong. The children I beat with a hammer have a decline in intelligence

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That's not what adoption studies showed or even can show sweaty

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Sure they can. Youre just kinda r-slurred and don't understand basic research methods. Just a fragile kid upset that not everyone is equal, many such cases

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8513766/

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Do you have any relevant qualifications?

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Yes, I have a bachelors; masters, and PHD in a related field

But it really doesn't matter, anyone can use google scholar and figure this stuff out, it's hardly arcane

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For one, twin studies are almost always done within a country, which definitely limits the amount of environmental variation that can occur. No malnutrition is happening in a western country, for example.

The other thing is that intelligence does tend toward that of the adopted parents, but it normalizes in adulthood.

Even then there is some small variation between twins. So it's not 100% genetic.

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The other thing is that intelligence does tend toward that of the adopted parents, but it normalizes in adulthood.

No it doesn't, not even a little. The correlation is near zero but very strong with bio parents

The variation between twins could be due to a ton of stuff that is non environmental, probably it's just measurement error

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Because G-d stops evolution from working above the neck you fricking chud I hope you get necklaced

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Everyone's appendix doesn't work.

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The appendix was once considered a vestigial organ, but this view has changed since the early 2000s.[1][2] Research suggests that the appendix may serve an important purpose as a reservoir for beneficial gut bacteria.

Research performed at Winthrop–University Hospital showed that individuals without an appendix were four times as likely to have a recurrence of Clostridium difficile colitis.[18] The appendix, therefore, may act as a "safe house" for beneficial bacteria.[14] This reservoir of bacteria could then serve to repopulate the gut flora in the digestive system following a bout of dysentery or cholera or to boost it following a milder gastrointestinal illness

:marseythonk: Hummmm I didn't know this view has sorta changed.

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Everyone's appendix works the same.

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>nonsense like "INTELLIGENCE IS GENETIC!!!!

If intelligence isn't genetic, how are we smarter than monkeys?

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If intelligence isn't based on environmental factors, how come people get dumber if I smash their head with a hammer?

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>can't answer my question

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Obviously intelligence "is genetic", there's nothing profound or interesting about that, so chuds who think they are making a good point just sound like r-slurs.

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you think there's no intelligence difference between races?

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There is, and it's obviously not well explained by genetics

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How is it obvious?

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https://psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/a0026699

There's probably a newer review but icba

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The nature-camp is not weakened by this. All non-r-slurs acknowledge that a bad environment can tank IQ and other desirable traits.

If you want to discredit them, you have to attack the following claims:

  • 90% of people in the west have no environmental factors that will destroy their intelligence

  • Thus, a big part of the variance in IQ comes from genetics

  • The real blackpill: The 30% or so variation that is "environment" is basically just random noise (modulo catastrophic trauma like the hammer to the head) and we can't influence it. We tried lot's of stuff like "better" schooling, better diet, preschool, and nothing seems to work.

  • Thus, if certain genetically coherent groups perform worse on average, it comes from their genetics

If this is true, it doesn't mean you have to hate BIPOCs, but it should follow that we should stop wasting tons of money of interventions that won't and can't work. The money would be much better spend for UBI, for example.

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No one brought up these claims so I don't have to discredit them. If someone did I'd just tell them they are wrong and r-slurred. Comes from genetics doesn't mean independent of environment, interventione do work, group differences between races are clearly not due to an inherent genetic difference.

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What do you mean 3 billion base pairs cannot possibly determine 100 trillion neuronal connections in the brain on top of every other bodily function? IT'S GENETICS, DUDE!! DONT ASK HOW, IT JUST IS, OKAY? :chudtantrum:

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That's also an r-slured take sry

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Except it isn't

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Uh...

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It's a valid point. Our genome isn't long enough to contain specific Information about how the neurons are interconnected. And since what we call intelligence is obviously something happening in our brain it can't be determined by genetics. Plus there's no reaction norm for it so that's another reason

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Our genome isn't long enough to contain specific Information about how the neurons are interconnected. And since what we call intelligence is obviously something happening in our brain it can't be determined by genetics.

This doesn't follow at all :marseyconfused:

Plus there's no reaction norm for it so that's another reason

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How does it not follow? It's one of the main arguments against intelligence being genetic. The other ones being lack of reaction norm and the fact that intelligence isn't objectively quantifiable as it's not a purely biological trait but rather certain cognitive abilities that we arbitrarily defined as intelligence

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:marseyconfused2: are you using chatgpt?

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This program is only 50mb, how could it possibly create files the size of gigabytes?!

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Not comparable but nice try buddy

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The point is that DNA doesn't encode a perfectly detailed map of all neural connections. It has parts at varying degrees of fidelity. The connections future development (mostly though pruning) is strongly influenced by the more detailed parts.

Take a more straightforward trait like time preference. It's not hard to see how tweaking it would affect intelligence, nor hard to see how different environments would select for it more or less.

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You are brown.

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