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Judo is an Overrated Martial Art
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1930s Bongland had a celebrity foid judo master who became famous for flashing her knickers on cinema newsreels:
https://rdrama.net/h/erstory/post/312703/fun-fact-crash-mats-were-a
!britbongs Why aren't your foids like this any more?
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they exist but charge you to watch it now
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Steven Seagal is pretty good at it, so it must be hard.
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Dude critizes judo for stalling compared to BJJ and finds cartwheeling and going belly down unrealistic compared to wrestling.
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Judo neighbors going belly down in order to stall for their lame ruleset is a genuine problem tho. It's unique to Judo and defeats the purpose of learning it as self-defense.
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It's not unique to Judo though, you see tons of it in wrestling.
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That's only really a thing in American folkstyle and regardless wrestlers are taught how to actually stand up from belly down and turtle.
Judo nibbas use belly down and turtle as a stalling position. It makes the idea of using Judo as a self-defense martial art utterly pointless.
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Both greco and freestyle stall out in belly down. Freestyle does it for sure.
And wrestlers can't turtle anyway. The way they do it just screams "please rnc/guiliotine me"
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Freestyle does it way less than Judo dawg. I don't know what else to tell you, Freestyle wrestlers frequently escape turtle and belly down because it loses a ton of points compared to Judo where the rules don't penalize showing ur bussy during newaza. Judo schools don't teach quad pod getups, no sit outs, no reversals, no nothing from turtle/belly down. It's a fundamental position that even kids who wrestle know how to escape.
Minor adjustments really. Wrestlers often learn these techniques really well since front headlock and turtle breakdowns are fundamental techniques they learn. You can't seriously tell me that bjj/judo players know front headlock or leg rides better than wrestlers.
Judo's a great sport but the emphasis on Ippon and dramatic throws kinda fricked its usefulness. As with many things the Fr*nch are to blame.
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It is minor. But every judoka who's stuck around for at least a couple of months of BJJ have similarly learned not to overcommit to their throws like an r-slur.
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I just feel like black belt judoka should be better than an average bjj blue belt of similar size on the ground, but in my experience that's not the case. Overcommiting to throws is just a smaller part of the bigger problem which is the people making the tournament rules in judo have the wrong priorities: differentiating judo from other forms of grappling and maximizing the amount of highlight reel throws. Judokas can't seriously argue that they practice the most useful martial art for self-defense and then don't teach how to escape turtle or grab a single/double leg.
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judo sucks, but its cool.
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why is he so mad
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But that's what Snake uses
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I actually got banned from the mma subreddit for basically saying the same thing as this video. We had a junior olympic champ come to our wrestling room in HS and get absolutely ragdolled by our all americans.
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He's got some points, but some of the things he says are just r-slurred to the extreme.
He makes fun of the jackets but they really do change the dynamics and the grip fighting to a point where most wrestlers will have a hard time setting up good shots. And there's nothing that makes fighting in nothing but tiny shorts or singlets more realistic than doing it wearing clothes.
No, the only real problem Judo has is their complete lack of a good scramble.
That and the modern ban on leg grabs. There's a serious generational difference caused by it where young competitive judoka, national champions and all, are completely lost once you get to their legs. But old 40ish year old blackbelts will counter a single leg with a uchi mata hard and fast enough to make your head spin.
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A decent high school wrestler will school an olympic judo champion in any position on the mats, and that is all you need to know. The fact that so many BJJ gyms are still teaching judo throws is an embarrassment. I weight 133 lbs, and would easily ragdoll 185lbs brown belts on the feet. I wasn't even that good of a wrestler (4th in HS states in a shitty state). Judo is embarrassingly bad. But you have a point about the jackets. I think any good judo practitioner could easily get throw-quality grips on a jacket, and I disagree with the youtube about that. But Judo is a complete joke.
And I will note, that wrestling sucks on the ground. I get tapped by blue belts that outweight me by 50lbs all day. Also, the thing about jackets messing up shots is not true. It's still easy to get singles, doubles, duck unders, snap-downs etc. Also, hitting spladles on bjj guys trying to learn to shoot a single is lots of fun.
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How are you hitting duck unders with lapel grips on you? Especially on a judoka with their vice like grips and them jerking you about the whole time?
Like don't get me wrong you can still strip grips and find angles but the way you fight for grips and setups is very different and a lot less fluid than without the jacket.
And wrestling is still good for the ground, well it does't have ground techniques as such but the game-ness of wrestlers, the complete unwillingness to cede position and the explosiveness that goes with it along with an innate sense of balance makes wrestlers a pain.
I had this wrestling coach at the MMA gym i trained at, this dagestani dude who i bet had been wrestling since he could barely walk and we'd do some submission rounds some times for fun. And this dude knew nothing about submissions. I caught him a couple of times in the standard ones. Rear naked from the back, guiliotine from a shoot and a triangle off of closed guard.
I managed to catch the dude in each of these once and no more and I never managed to sweep him. And at this point I had been doing BJJ pretty obsessively for about five years and had my purple already but the balance and strength this dude had in the weirdest of positions was just crazy.
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There's nothing wrong with the actual Judo throws. For BJJ you don't want any throws that expose your back in the way of shoulder and hip throws, but those appear in wrestling too and I generally don't see them being taught outside of harai goshi and drop seoi nage, both of which explicitly minimizes the risks of showing your back.
Then there are throws that are really good in BJJ, but only functions with or functions much better with a gi. Like tomoe nage, where if you frick up you've just pulled guard.
Or uchi mata which works in no gi, but works significantly better in the gi where you can more easily chase down control of the far side arm and control the sleeve..
I am curious if you ragdolled them with both of you in the gi though? Because the video is absolutely right in that no gi judo doesn't work. All the techniques are there, but they have zero clue about the set ups and grip changes.
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with the gi. I wanted a challenge, so I did gi bjj. it's a lotta fun, and way more tricksy. The duckunder actually works great when they have grips. They always try to turn it into a hip toss, but you have too much momentum and if they keep the grip they typically just go down without you having to "finish" the duckunder. But mostly I just shoot outside doubles and hit snapdown/go-behinds
I learned firemans are a big mistake in bjj lol
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Firemans are so stylish I can't help but try them every now and then, even if you are basically crucifixing yourself midair. Doing dumb flashy stuff is what white belts are for anyway.
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I had three years of getting smoked by this butthole five days a week. (middle guy)
https://navydad.smugmug.com/Sports/2008-DivI-National-Wrestling/Navy-Midshipmen-3-all/i-p96SGhR/A
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it really do be like that. you have to transition and dump quick, and pray you aren't already choked out.
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how does soyfighting deal with this?
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Ninjee School
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Every man should play online games with women who use Mics. I dare you. Especially anyone crying "NOT ALL MEN!" Or saying all the good ones are at home playing videogames. 🙄
Cis/het/male here, and I have recently been playing CoD off and on with a group that is mostly women and OH MY SCIENCE DO NONE OF YOU HAVE MOTHERS/DAUGHTERS/BASIC HUMAN DECENCY?
Holy shit. I knew it was bad. Just not how bad.
By no means am i saying I didn't believe women on this one, but im just fricking impressed in the worst goddarn way. The things dudes say to women when there is anonymity protecting them from being outted as vile pieces of shit is insane.
And it. Is. CONSTANT. Every round. If they aren't hitting on them in the most crude and aggressively cringey way, theyre threatening sexual assault. If they're not doing those, it's kitchen jokes, calling them fat, or making comments about their genitalia.
And yes yes... I know not all online communities are this bad. But CoD is one of the biggest online communities in the world and a very casual-friendly game in general and its fricking revealing about the average male g*mer that i cant get into a single lobby where my female friends DARE TALK and not get some chode incel making everything uncomfortable or downright hostile.
Guys, if we want women to actually want to play games with us, we have to make some fricking space for them. And it doesn't stop at just not participating. If you hear some bullshit, say something!
Do better, y'all. Gaming is for everyone.
Edit: when i said CoD is "casual friendly" i meant that it's a pick up and play game that anyone can figure out and play the kill slot machine. Not that the community is anything but rude.
Edit 2.0: to clarify once more, using "not all men" to emphasize that men are not a monolith and have a constructive conversation is not the same thing as screeching it to dismiss the experiences of many women and put yourself on some kind of pedestal for showing basic human decency to the opposite s*x.
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