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eager_toilet follows/you Director of Consanguinity, Hierarchy, and Exclusion  7d ago (youtube.com) 249 thread views #319487

Judo is an Overrated Martial Art

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VXYqqx8DwFY 


								

								

									
									

									
								

							

							

								
									
								
							

							

								
	

							

						

						
						

							

								
							

						

					

					
						

							
							
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I actually got banned from the mma subreddit for basically saying the same thing as this video.  We had a junior olympic champ come to our wrestling room in HS and get absolutely ragdolled by our all americans.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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He's got some points, but some of the things he says are just r-slurred to the extreme.
He makes fun of the jackets but they really do change the dynamics and the grip fighting to a point where most wrestlers will have a hard time setting up good shots. And there's nothing that makes fighting in nothing but tiny shorts or singlets more realistic than doing it wearing clothes.
No, the only real problem Judo has is their complete lack of a good scramble.
That and the modern ban on leg grabs. There's a serious generational difference caused by it where young competitive judoka, national champions and all, are completely lost once you get to their legs. But old 40ish year old blackbelts will counter a single leg with a uchi mata hard and fast enough to make your head spin.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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A decent high school wrestler will school an olympic judo champion in any position on the mats, and that is all you need to know.   The fact that so many BJJ gyms are still teaching judo throws is an embarrassment.  I weight 133 lbs, and would easily ragdoll 185lbs brown belts on the feet.  I wasn't even that good of a wrestler (4th in HS states in a shitty state).  Judo is embarrassingly bad.  But you have a point about the jackets.  I think any good judo practitioner could easily get throw-quality grips on a jacket, and I disagree with the youtube about that.  But Judo is a complete joke.
And I will note, that wrestling sucks on the ground.  I get tapped by blue belts that outweight me by 50lbs all day.  Also, the thing about jackets messing up shots is not true.  It's still easy to get singles, doubles, duck unders, snap-downs etc.  Also, hitting spladles on bjj guys trying to learn to shoot a single is lots of fun.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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There's nothing wrong with the actual Judo throws. For BJJ you don't want any throws that expose your back in the way of shoulder and hip throws, but those appear in wrestling too and I generally don't see them being taught outside of harai goshi and drop seoi nage, both of which explicitly minimizes the risks of showing your back.
Then there are throws that are really good in BJJ, but only functions with or functions much better with a gi. Like tomoe nage, where if you frick up you've just pulled guard.
Or uchi mata which works in no gi, but works significantly better in the gi where you can more easily chase down control of the far side arm and control the sleeve..
I am curious if you ragdolled them with both of you in the gi though? Because the video is absolutely right in that no gi judo doesn't work. All the techniques are there,  but they have zero clue about the set ups and grip changes.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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I am curious if you ragdolled them with both of you in the gi though?
with the gi.  I wanted a challenge, so I did gi bjj.  it's a lotta fun, and way more tricksy.  The duckunder actually works great when they have grips.  They always try to turn it into a hip toss, but you have too much momentum and if they keep the grip they typically just go down without you having to "finish" the duckunder.  But mostly I just shoot outside doubles and hit snapdown/go-behinds
I learned firemans are a big mistake in bjj lol

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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Firemans are so stylish I can't help but try them every now and then, even if you are basically crucifixing yourself midair. Doing dumb flashy stuff is what white belts are for anyway.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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I had three years of getting smoked by this butthole five days a week.   (middle guy)
https://navydad.smugmug.com/Sports/2008-DivI-National-Wrestling/Navy-Midshipmen-3-all/i-p96SGhR/A

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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even if you are basically crucifixing yourself midair
it really do be like that.  you have to transition and dump quick, and pray you aren't already choked out.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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jackets messing up shots is not true.
How are you hitting duck unders with lapel grips on you? Especially on a judoka with their vice like grips and them jerking you about the whole time?
Like don't get me wrong you can still strip grips and find angles but the way you fight for grips and setups is very different and a lot less fluid than without the jacket.
And wrestling is still good for the ground, well it does't have ground techniques as such but the game-ness of wrestlers, the complete unwillingness to cede position and the explosiveness that goes with it along with an innate sense of balance makes wrestlers a pain.
I had this wrestling coach at the MMA gym i trained at, this dagestani dude who i bet had been wrestling since he could barely walk and we'd do some submission rounds some times for fun. And this dude knew nothing about submissions. I caught him a couple of times in the standard ones. Rear naked from the back, guiliotine from a shoot and a triangle off of closed guard.
I managed to catch the dude in each of these once and no more and I never managed to sweep him. And at this point I had been doing BJJ pretty obsessively for about five years and had my purple already but the balance and strength this dude had in the weirdest of positions was just crazy.

						


						
							

							

								
									
								
							


							

								
	

							


							

								

									

										
										

									


								
						

					
				


				

				
					
	

	
		

			
		


		

			

				
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