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EFFORTPOST I've claimed Mt. Marcy :marseysherpa: in honour of the WPD cat

https://i.imgur.com/gDQcR8E.png < me on day 3 of 8 hours of fricking BOULDERING with a 45 lb pack a day to get this stupid flag on the summit

Some info: yes Mt. Marcy is a real mountain lol. when I've told some of you about it you've gone "wtf is that real" :marseyxd: but it's actually the highest point in the Adirondacks/NY in general https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Marcy

I made the flag emblem with my cricut and I used my serger to size down a cheap truth and reconciliation flag to fit on a stick :marseyrake: . If I had my druthers it would be ironed but it seemed like a lot of work at the summit of a mountain :marseyantiwork2:

Since this is /h/outdoor and I did genuinely the most arduous horrible journey of my life I am going to hope I can do enough :marseywords: under expands to get effortpost status bc wow I was unprepared and I need to be compensated in some way for this terrible decision I made entirely of my own volition

Day 0.5

Started off the journey canoeing out to a campsite at Saranac Lake so we'd be able to get out to get to Marcy quick the next morning :marseyclueless: https://i.imgur.com/eRO5loA.png calm waters, nice warm day, perfect for a short hour long paddle

got a pretty nice island campsite, came with a big rock to put your stuff on https://i.imgur.com/PqyTKya.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/1hdozUF.jpeg canoe camping is great because you can just load things up heavy af and not have to worry about carrying any of it :marseysatisfied: was a cozy start to the trip https://i.imgur.com/oigWeH3.png surely it can only get nicer from here!

Day 1

Woke up bright and early to start the day! But what's this... https://i.imgur.com/74LPyPC.png the fog has rolled in and the horizon has disappeared. That's okay :marseyclueless: just retrace our steps :marseyclueless: it will be easy and we'll be back to the truck quick :marseyclueless:

moments like these really make you understand why neighbors thought they could just tip over the edge of the earth

It took about 2 hours with 0 visibility navigating around islands that would only appear when we got really close to them, but we managed to get to land, loaded up the truck, consolidated the packs to bring JUST what we needed to get through the next few days of backpacking. It's just hiking+camping, so we felt pretty confident that our 45 lb packs would be fine. People who need expensive ultralight gear, lmfao, kitties, imagine spending thousands to have a light pack when you could just GIT GUD and be strong :marseyclueless: :marseyclueless: :marseyclueless: !fitness knows where this is going. Now that we were set up with the essentials we got on our way :marseydance: ....

...to spend $75 on parking alone :marseyflushzoom: they also made us get a bear barrel because bear hangs are illegal there :drafts: it's the northeast, if a bear comes for your peanut butter just tell him polar bears go way harder than him and he doesn't deserve any lil treats and he'll run away crying. We purchased our barrel that totally fit all of our food :marseyglancing: and set off!

The first day we did this portion of the trip in red https://i.imgur.com/LY1DAw2.png The first hour or so took us 2.5 miles to Marcy Brook. Nice dirt path, mostly flat, just a tiny bit uphill, boy this trip is going to be great! https://i.imgur.com/64M2vqS.png this is Marcy Dam :marseybeaver: so beautiful to see the mountains in the distance, the trees changing

Hm, there's campsites here, but if we go another half a mile, it'll be more secluded, and we'll be even closer to where we gotta go! What's another half a mile when we're already making such great time? :marseyclueless:

I can't begin to explain to you how fricking bad of a decision this route was. It immediately switches from flat, dirt paths to climbing over gigantic rocks. https://i.imgur.com/PY8g2Kg.png this is about the nicest that the path got, which as anyone who backpacks knows, this still sucks butt when you have a big pack and 4 days to go where you can't risk twisting an ankle. It got much worse than that but I had to lock in and didn't take pics unfortunately. Hiking when your knee is coming up to your chin to clamber over rocks is already tiring, but do this with a 45 lb pack as a 120 lb girl and it becomes a nightmare very quickly. I kept getting stuck in positions where I'd have to get on my hand and knees and pull myself up over rocks that were nearly as tall as me, and half the time my hiking companion would have to lift the pack as I stood because I couldn't stand up under the weight of it after 8 hours of pushing myself til my heartrate was hitting 180 :marseyflushzoomzoom: GET A SECOND JOB IDC JUST BUY THE ULTRALIGHT SHIT IF UR A LITTLE GIRL TRYING TO DO THIS

Occasionally, there would be short breaks with very beautiful views that my camera cannot adequately portray https://i.imgur.com/Ees9eVg.jpeg the feeling of being very small in these giant gorges is incredible https://i.imgur.com/s0X3LVq.jpeg

After literally 8 hours straight of hauling myself up rocks, sliding off rocks taller than me where I was dropping down feet after that, getting stuck in between :marseysweating: (I was seeing even shorter azn women come back the direction toward me with their dogs, b-word how the heck did you do that these rocks are 6 feet tall, there was 0 way I could've gone back through this path), doing the thing where you climb up cliff faces with your back wedged against them and shimmy up with your legs (chimneying?) we were no closer to finding a camp site. Morale was at an all time low. We were passing people, doing the wealthy mayo sport acknowledgements "hows it going" "you too" where you don't even really hear each other, you're just saying stuff to let each other know you're normal. Finally one asked "hows it going" and in my moment of personal 9/11 I was like "really bad actually we've been going nonstop all day I'm exhausted but there's 0 campsites and infinite giant boulders" and they indicated there were secret ones back a ways since the maps you buy at the lodge don't have campsites just lean-tos and they were all taken :marseyschizotwitch: god bless those people

It was pitch dark by the time we found a spot to set up for the night even though we started at 6 AM. We brought a pot to put on the jetboil to fry up some spam for our dinners but it wasn't compatible :marseygunshotsuicide: so we just put wet soft spam in with knorr pasta packets and boiled em with the little jet boil thing made for boiling water https://i.imgur.com/s7WAtZ8.jpeg , and that doesn't sound especially good but after that day this was literally ambrosia. After wondering for the past 4 hours if we were going to find a spot at all, my mind was too wired to fall asleep. Thank god for benadryl :benadryl: :snorecat:

Day 2

It could only get easier from there. Not even a :marseyclueless: moment, it really only could. It wasn't easy but anything compared to that first day was nice

We did this part in yellow https://i.imgur.com/LY1DAw2.png ending up at the Feldspar campsite by mid day.

The day started off with a pretty light hike https://i.imgur.com/RRhjOnj.jpeg it wasn't so much a ton of climbing as much as just trying to keep your feet as dry as possible when you have to ford these large river sections

It was my first time crossing a rope bridge! https://i.imgur.com/8aOdVAL.jpeg it was pretty neat, but my pack got readjusted so it was even heavier that day, and I had to climb a big rock to get up to it and embarrassingly got stuck in front of a bunch of gay dudes lmao I had to take the pack off to stand up :marseypaperbag: . I can squat 200 but turns out starting flat on ur belly after you've been gassed for hours is a whole other game :marseydoomer:

There was still a lot of climbing over large rocks, but they were only like waist high instead of chin high. https://i.imgur.com/zijRs5L.png there were a couple "what the frick" moments too though. I think this image actually represents the whole trip very well

We got into camp relatively early that day since there was still light out and it was nice for a couple hours til some randos came and set their tent up literally 5 feet away lmao https://i.imgur.com/aPO5Vmw.png wtf is with people :marseyxd: the northeast has so many people that you climb boulders nonstop for 2 days and you still gotta listen to people talk about what growing up in a jewish home was like well into the night :marseypop2: on a good day, in solitude, it's impossible to not make racist jokes in the tent, so I have to imagine we were probably pretty bad that night :taygrimacing: black bears are not worth being afraid of so we brought some trail mix in to snack on so before you set ur tent up right next to someone else consider: if u are afraid of bears, they may not be, and they're probably snackin in there

When the "would you choose the bear" thing was going around this is why it was stupid af btw, I could hulk probably a crowd of 10,000 Jewish women, I am not afraid of them nor even moids, but if I had to choose between a bear or Abby Shapiro and her giant milkers in the woods I would pick the bear. He's supposed to be there! I went to the woods to get away from you people :marseyraging:

Day 3

To the summit! https://i.imgur.com/LY1DAw2.png we did the green part of the map up to the summit and then back to the campgrounds. We left our shit set up and just took light packs. And what a good decision that was :feelssogood: It was very very steep the first half. I've never been more happy to have sewed a full linen outfit for this trip than at this part - highly recommend investing in some linen if you're doing sweaty shit.

https://i.imgur.com/2ZVU907.jpeg we kept coming across little flat areas where I'd try to prevent myself from looking up at the peak and :marseydespair: at how far away it was. But the views were pretty lovely and :marseyhope: because at least if it was arduous, it was arduous somewhere pretty https://i.imgur.com/cdGNX8K.png

We stopped for lunch on this big flat rock just before you have to lock in to get to the summit, looking at the peak once again had me :marseydespair: but sitting on this big rock and eating pepperoni and cheese wrapped in a tortilla hit in ways you couldn't even imagine https://i.imgur.com/GFT8nTi.png

It started getting less "climb up rocks and boulders" and more "try to find a tree to grab while you walk up steep rock faces" https://i.imgur.com/lyJ7y7f.png until we finally reached the point when you can SEE the summit, and jfc

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I was expecting something of a trail. Maybe with a rope! You could hold it so you could pull yourself up kinda, and stabilize yourself!

NOPE

It's just some spray painted marks to tell you vaguely, the fewest humans have slipped and rolled off if they went this way. https://i.imgur.com/2nfP6tN.png the perspective on this picture is kinda fun, almost looks like it could be me taking a photo below me of a flat area. No. It's straight fricking up. AND YOU JUST HAVE TO WALK UP IT

and you know what happens after you walk up it, right?

YOU HAVE TO FRICKING WALK DOWN IT TOO

WITH YOUR FEET

I need you to understand that the angle here is such that it kind of hurts your ankles to be walking up it. You need good grip shoes here. Or you just die lmao. There's a doxxing photo of me where some rocks slipped under me and I shut down and just curled into a ball :marseyscared: for a few minutes until I started going up on my hands and knees while yuppies with their lil sticks were walking up, not a care in the world

But the peak! Again, photography fails me here, there's no way to capture what it's like looking DOWN on dozens of gigantic mountains, looking at places you've climbed for days to get to previously and seeing them so far below you. A couple screenshots from the panorama I took https://i.imgur.com/6R0LxOp.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Lb3L3uY.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/lIjYSRH.png you could spend all day looking through the binocs up here

https://i.imgur.com/5AOa6Ul.png I spoke to the DNR worker at the peak and she confirmed they will be changing this to Marsey now that I've claimed it for us.

Climbing down the mountain sucked butt because I was scared of tumbling off, and we ran out of water and were thirsting over random mud puddles on the way 👀, but getting back to the tent at the end of the night and knowing that it was all downhill from here was so nice :marseysatisfied:

Day 4: The Final Day

Just kidding lmfao, the final day started off with a bunch more frickin uphill. https://i.imgur.com/LY1DAw2.png we did the final blue part all the way back to the parking lot on this day. We packed everything up and lamented having to carry our giant packs around again :marseycry: but at least we knew at the end of the day we'd be able to buy a bunch of goyslop and go hang out in an airbnb with a hot tub.

In the northeast, when a beaver sets up a dam, they just... divert the whole route for everyone and you have to traverse through the mud. They should learn about tannerite! Beavers may have built America but there's no reason you can't just step on their dams if they wanna be peepeeheads and set up on the route, at the very least :marseyraging: I've seen dudes portage heavy butt plastic canoes over beaver dams while wearing CROCS, you're telling me these ppl expect you to be able to do the rest of this horrific trail but not walk on some beaver houses??

During the portions it wasn't muddy, it was lovely https://i.imgur.com/qvVVJEm.jpeg , during the portions it was muddy, it was funny to pass the yuppies with their lil sticks and white northface meanwhile I'm covered up to my waist in mud and almost lost my boot to the bogs

Eventually, we got back to Marsey Dam. And what a beauty it was. Past that, all flat land... that original 2.5 miles that made us think it'd be an easy trip. Seeing the truck again :marseychefkiss: I've never felt more relieved. We were grunting out "truck!!! truck!!!!!" covered in mud, stinking to high heaven, my white shirt was permanently dyed brown from tripping almost getting lost in the bog like Artax, one side of my butt burning in ways never before felt because I was leading the climb up the giant boulders with my right leg. We went to a grocery store and bought a cart full of goyslop for a 'oops we were in the woods for it' bday https://i.imgur.com/OZIi07j.jpeg and gorged ourselves !goyslopenjoyers know what it's like after camping

Total distance for the trip was only 18 miles, elevation was 2466 ft from bottom to top. If you did it without packs or ultralight ones the rock climbing would likely be just moderately challenging instead of :marseyeyemixer2:

Overall this was definitely "type 2 fun" where it's not fun at all while you're doing it :marseydead: but in hindsight it was neat and I'm glad I did it. I'm also glad I had no idea it was going to be this butt because I would not have done it if I knew it was going to have 2 hours of hiking and then the rest would be rock climbing lmao. I would never do this again. If I had to, I'd do one of the day long routes where you don't camp and just bring a camelbak. No one seemed to want to kill themselves when they were doing the day hike so I assume it's not that bad, and the guide book says it's a fairly easy route.

I did see some really nice guys from NC with awesome accents struggling hard AF to get through one of the routes on our way out, I really hope they had a good trip and when they got back home it wasn't fricked :marseydespair: I can't imagine anything worse than going through avalanche pass and then getting home and ur house floated away

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Ravens eating puke

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:marseydisgustnotes: COMMUNITY NOTED Bird Post :marseytedsimp3:

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Cardinal

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Downy Woodpecker

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That's a squirrel! Not a bird!

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Climbed this waterfall today
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Got front row seats to cardinals visiting too.

Installed a picnic table for birds n squirrels just by our bay window in the dining room so we can watch them eat while we eat, lol.

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I thought buying a 400mm lens would make me better at bird photos but it seems that I need more practice, and importantly, birds.

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I don't know what this is.

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Canadian Geese

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I don't know what this is.

Shot on a Canon R5 in crop mode at 26,000iso because my hands are so shaky and I needed to get the shutter speed up with my EF 400/4L lens.

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Photos from Christmas

There was an emu in the paddock.

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Eventually smoke from the fires in the Grampians rolled in. That interrupted our Nerf war :marseybeanannoyed:

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PFA !strayans

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bob_katter mad/katter let a thousand blossoms bloom  6d ago (image post) 236 thread views #347025 earned 236 coins from votes
I went to a lookout

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It looked a lot better IRL.

Location: Keppel Lookout, Victoria, Australia.

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Location: Steavenson Falls, Victoria, Australia.

I got to take the Black Spur Drive (really tight and windy road - popular with car enthusiasts). The V8 got bit of a workout.

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I took photos of some birds

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I went on a hike

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It started off pretty flat. Saw a huge cat driving up the road

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Nice and cozy

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And then it was like really steep but in a good way

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There's a peak in the distance, but there's a ton of blowing snow here

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Going down we got caught in a traffic jam of old ppl :marseypuke: they took like 20 minutes to go down some steps

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I saw a huge cat

It must've weighed a few thousand pounds :#marseyshook:

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Brage Vestavik - Planet Alaska
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DragOnMyBallZ knee/grow :marseyoctopusglowpat: :marseyunibombersaintpat!:  18d ago (reddit.com) 176 thread views #343581 earned 72 coins from votes
He hiked TWO WHOLE HOURS and is NOT HAPPY with the kind stranger's work :soyjaktantrum: 

					
					
					
	

				

			
		
	


	
		

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						Jon Krakauer (author of Into Thin Air) is on a weeks-long flamewar against some YouTube grifter who has been trashing his book and blaming him for Everest deaths :marseylongpost:
					
				

				

					
				

			

		


		

			

				
			

		


		

		

		
			

			
				

					
					
This is only "chapter one"! If you are a :marseylongpost: !bookworms you can find all the others here.
I've never read Into Thin Air but I fricking hate youtube video essay dudes, so I'm #TeamKrakauer in this beef.
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In August 2024, I began to receive comments in my Instagram feed warning  me that a YouTuber named Michael Tracy had been aggressively maligning  my book, Into Thin Air: A Personal Account of the Mount Everest Disaster. One commenter observed that Tracy's defamatory statements were "getting out of hand. The man really has an agenda against you, and most people just don't question it."
Michael Lion Tracy, I learned, is a middle-aged lawyer based in Irvine,  California. He's posted more than 100 videos on his YouTube channel,  which has 130,000 subscribers. He gained approximately 30,000 of these  subscribers after he started posting inflammatory videos about my book.
In April 2024, Tracy posted the first of at least sixteen videos (thus  far) claiming to have identified numerous errors in my book about the  1996 Everest disaster, most of which he claims are lies intended to  promote a deliberately false narrative.
Almost all of Tracy's allegations are demonstrably untrue, and the sheer  volume of prevarication in his videos is astounding. Although he holds  me and others he criticizes to the highest standards of accuracy — as he absolutely should — he fails to hold himself to the same exacting  standards. His videos don't adhere to any standard of truth whatsoever.
Before going any further, however, I want to acknowledge up front that Tracy has identified a number of genuine errors in Into Thin Air, and I am grateful to him for pointing them out. I will enumerate these  errors throughout my commentary as they come up, and correct them in all future editions of Into Thin Air.
It's no secret that controversy and outrage boost attention and juice  revenue on the Internet, of course, and perhaps this explains Tracy's  dishonest campaign to discredit me. But many of his attacks on my  integrity are delivered with a degree of grievance and invective that  suggests he is seeking to do more than just troll me. Tracy's  denunciations seem to be motivated by something deeper and more  personal.
In most of his videos about my book, Tracy seems to be trying to do what  the MAGA podcaster Steve Bannon famously called "flooding the zone with  shit" — spewing forth such an overwhelming torrent of misinformation  that it creates lasting doubt about what's true and what isn't. Tracy's  videos about me include dozens of deceitful statements, and he continues to post additional misleading videos on an intermittent basis — which  for all practical purposes renders any attempt to refute every spurious  claim in his videos an exercise in futility.
There's an axiom about online discourse known as the "Bullshit Asymmetry  Principle" that accurately asserts, "The amount of energy needed to  refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to  produce it." Given the damage Tracy is attempting to inflict on  my reputation, and his irresponsible misrepresentations of what happened on Everest in 1996, I feel the need to debunk as much of his bullshit  as possible, despite the magnitude of the effort required to do so, even if it proves to be largely ineffective.
Twelve people perished on Everest in 1996, and it's important to have an  accurate understanding of what led to the loss of so many lives — both  out of respect to those who died, and to help prevent similar tragedies  from occurring in the future. Although climbing Everest is now  significantly safer than it was in 1996 (in terms of the number of  deaths compared to the number of climbers attempting the ascent), it  remains an incredibly dangerous endeavor — and many, many more people  are trying to reach the summit these days. In 2024, nine people died on  the mountain. In 2023, there were eighteen deaths.
Tracy's obsessive campaign to discredit me goes well beyond denigrating  my book on his YouTube channel. Tracy acolytes can pay $50 per month to become his "Yeti Apprentices" and thereby assist his campaign.
:#marseyskifreeyeti:
His most devoted followers receive invitations to join Tracy's inner  circle: a confidential Groomercord server where Tracy and his minions share  misinformation. Here's one of Tracy's Groomercord posts:
https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739550284ChTrZLZid7XFYw.webp
In 2013, Tracy climbed Mt. Everest from the Chinese side of the mountain  as a paying client on a commercial expedition. In August 2017, he posted the first of many videos about Everest, and announced his intent to  "locate Andrew Irvine and document the 1924 climb of Mallory &  Irvine."
Andrew "Sandy" Irvine was the English climber who famously disappeared with  George Mallory while attempting to make the first ascent of Everest.  Mallory's body had been discovered in 1999 by Conrad Anker some 2,300  vertical feet below the summit. The discovery included personal effects  that offered tantalizing clues about Mallory's demise, including a short length of climbing rope tied around his waist, suggesting that he and  Irvine probably perished while climbing or descending together on the  same rope. The rope appeared to have broken or been severed during a  fall from higher on the peak. Anker and his expedition teammates,  however, found no sign of Sandy Irvine.
In 2018, Tracy returned to the north side of Everest to search for  Irvine's remains. But Tracy has never set foot on the south side of  Everest — the Nepal side of the mountain, where most of the events  described in Into Thin Air took place. Nor, to my  knowledge, has he ever interviewed a single person who was directly  involved in the 1996 disaster. Nevertheless, in 2024 he began presenting himself as an authority on the 1996 Everest disaster and making  deceitful claims about the veracity of my book. This treatise will focus on refuting some of Tracy's most egregious false allegations.
This is the first of what will be eight separate chapters of commentary. I  intend to the post a new chapter every day or so going forward.
As the person who alerted me to Michael Tracy's smear campaign observed,  he has an agenda and it's not subtle. The narration in his videos is  often delivered with a mix of derision, disdain, and snark. Occasionally he includes childish memes such as the two examples below for shits and giggles. Tracy's videos are not posted in any discernable order, nor  are they always easy to follow. He jumps around a lot and sometimes  contradicts himself. Frequently he repeats the same allegations in  multiple videos. Thus my commentary will necessarily jump around, too.
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I'll begin my effort to refute Michael Tracy's most outrageous allegations  by debunking his claim that there were no significant delays on the  Nepal side of Everest on May 10, 1996. Concurrently, I will also refute  his related claim that any delays that did occur had little or nothing  to do with the failure to fix ropes in advance on sections of the  climbing route where such ropes were typically installed to safeguard  clients.
Early in our 1996 expedition, Rob Hall, the leader of the guided team I was  on, decided that if the weather forecast was favorable, we would attempt to reach the summit on May 10. Hall encouraged Scott Fischer, the  leader of another guided group, to have his team go for the summit on  the same day, and Fischer agreed to this plan, even though traffic jams  at places on the route where fixed ropes would be necessary were  anticipated to be a potential problem, given that so many climbers would be going for the top at the same time. As I wrote in Chapter 13 of Into Thin Air:
Hall, who had climbed Everest four times previously, understood as well as  anybody the need to get up and down quickly. Recognizing that the basic  climbing skills of some of his clients were highly suspect, Hall  intended to rely on fixed lines to safeguard and expedite both our group and Fischer's group over the most difficult ground. The fact that no  expedition had been to the top yet this year concerned him, therefore,  because it meant that ropes had not been installed over much of this  terrain…. Anticipating this possibility, before leaving Base Camp, Hall  and Fischer convened a meeting of guides from both teams, during which  they agreed that each expedition would dispatch two Sherpas — including  the climbing sirdars, Ang Dorje and Lopsang [Jangbu] — from Camp Four  ninety minutes ahead of the main groups. This would give the Sherpas  time to install fixed lines on the most exposed sections of the upper  mountain before the clients arrived. "Rob made it very clear how  important it was to do this," recalls [Neal] Beidleman [one of Fischer's guides]. "He wanted to avoid a time-consuming bottleneck at all costs."
Hall and Fischer agreed that Ang Dorje and Lopsang Jangbu would depart from  Camp Four at 26,000 feet on the South Col around 10:00 P.M. on May 9 to  fix the ropes. Hall's team would then start up at 11:30, followed by  Fischer's team at midnight. For some unknown reason, however, no Sherpas left the South Col ahead of us on the night of May 9. Therefore no new  ropes were fixed in advance, which caused major delays at two  bottlenecks where climbers were forced to wait for fixed ropes to be  installed.
On May 13, 2024, Michael Tracy posted a video on his YouTube channel  titled, "Analysis of Scott Fischer's photo from South Summit," in which  he claims that delays at these bottlenecks were minimal or nonexistent,  and the delays that did occur had little or nothing to do with the  failure to fix ropes ahead of time. Tracy's video is prefaced with a  block of text explaining that it analyzes
a photo taken by Scott Fischer to determine what happened on the upper  part of Mount Everest on May 10, 1996. Looks at various accounts from  Jon Krakauer and determines they do not match up with photographs taken  that day.
The photo in question, shown below, appears on page 240 of Into Thin Air: The Illustrated Edition, a special edition of the book that is no longer in print*.* The summit of Everest isn't visible in Fischer's photo. I've added the annotations in red for this commentary.
https://i.rdrama.net/images/1739550284tPF5JuDo_xNJjg.webp
Tracy claims in his video that this photo, and others in my book, prove there were no bottlenecks causing noteworthy delays at the fixed ropes,  contrary to what I wrote. In the comment he posted on Groomercord on April  17, 2024, Tracy says:
You will see that the "rope fixing" issue is an invention of Krakauer to  explain his slow climbing time…. Once you realize that everything people think they know about this was a story fabricated to make Jon Krakauer  look better than he was, the whole thing makes sense. There are no  mysteries about what happened.
Tracy is wrong. Photos, videos, and statements from numerous climbers who  encountered the bottlenecks confirm that there were indeed significant  delays at fixed ropes installed to safeguard climbers, and that those  delays were exacerbated by the undisputed fact that ropes were not fixed in advance as intended.
In the center of Fischer's photo is the notorious Hillary Step, which is  almost always ascended with the aid of approximately 80 feet of fixed  rope anchored at the top of the Step. This pitch would be trivial if it  were on a mountain in Colorado or New Hampshire, but because it's  situated nearly 29,000 feet above sea level and includes the steepest,  most problematic terrain above the South Col, it's a notorious  bottleneck.
Fischer shot the photo at approximately 1:00 P.M. from the South Summit, at an  elevation of 28,700 feet. Neal Beidleman and Martin Adams (one of  Fischer's clients) are visible at the top of the Hillary Step. Klev  Schoening (another Fischer client) is about to arrive there. Anatoli  Boukreev (Fischer's Head Guide), Andy Harris (a guide on Rob Hall's  team), and me are out of sight above the Step. Boukreev had just arrived on the summit of Everest when Fischer took the photo, and Harris and I  were less than twenty minutes below the top.
Twenty-six seconds into his May 13 video, Tracy states that 16 or possibly 17 climbers are visible in the photo.
Tracy is wrong. Careful study of the image reveals that it's likely 18 climbers are visible.
Two minutes and six seconds in, Tracy says, "At this point in time… six  [climbers] are above the Hillary Step and one is just at the top of the  Hillary Step. That's Sandy Pittman."
Tracy is wrong about Pittman being on top of the Step. She's actually less  than halfway up. The top of the Hillary Step is located where Adams is  crouching next to the anchor for the fixed rope (not visible in the  photo) that terminates near the crest of the Step. Adams is paying out  rope to Beidleman, who is fixing a final 330-foot length of rope across  hazardous terrain that eventually leads to the summit of Everest.
At the 2:24 mark in the video, Tracy alleges the photo proves there is no "huge bottleneck at the Hillary Step at this time."
At the 4:05 mark Tracy claims, "Krakauer invented the story" of this  bottleneck despite knowing Fischer's photo and other "photos  contradicted his invented version. He even puts those photos in his  book."
At the 4:48 mark Tracy claims that Fischer's "photo depicts the busiest  the Hillary Step would be that day. There is no throng of climbers  waiting to come up. This is it: the massive bottleneck Krakauer wrote  about."
All of these allegations by Tracy are false. Fischer's photo shows two  climbers above the Hillary Step, two climbers ascending the Step, and 14 climbers lined up below the Step waiting to ascend it. Contrary to  Tracy's assertions, this photo documents a problematic bottleneck that  was already delaying climbers.
In 2013 Michael Tracy climbed Everest from China, the other side of the  mountain. He has never set foot on this side of Everest, the Nepal side, which is reflected in his erroneous statements about the Hillary Step  and many other matters.
The photo also shows Klev Schoening ascending toward the anchor at the top  of the Step as Sandy Pittman is ascending well below him, while 14  additional climbers are queued up along the ridge below them.
The bottleneck is also apparent in the image below, which is a photo Scott  Fischer shot from the bottom of the Hillary Step at approximately 2:10  P.M. The climber in the green pants is a Sherpa standing at  approximately the same place Sandy Pittman is standing in the photo  Fischer took at 1:00 P.M. Immediately below him is Ang Dorje, Hall's  most trusted Sherpa. The lowest climber, wearing a red and black down  suit, is Doug Hansen, a client of Hall's who perished near the South  Summit.
Below is a sequence of screen grabs from the PBS documentary, "Storm Over Everest," in which "Makalu" Gau Ming-Ho, a Taiwanese climber, and Nima Gombu, one of three Sherpas on Gau's team, confirm the bottleneck. Gau  unexpectedly launched his summit attempt on May 10, which came as an  unwelcome surprise to Rob Hall and Scott Fischer, because Gau was not  very strong or competent, and his team worsened the congestion at the  fixed ropes.
The bottleneck at the Hillary Step wasn't the only place a traffic jam  occurred on May 10. Approximately 400 feet below the South Summit, an  earlier bottleneck, below the ropes Neal Beidleman and Ang Dorje Sherpa  fixed on the upper Southeast Ridge, caused significant delays, too,  compounding the subsequent delays at the Hillary Step.
Below is a sequence of screen grabs from the PBS documentary, "Storm Over Everest," in which "Makalu" Gau Ming-Ho, a Taiwanese climber, and Nima Gombu, one of three Sherpas on Gau's team, confirm the bottleneck. Gau unexpectedly launched his summit attempt on May 10, which came as an unwelcome surprise to Rob Hall and Scott Fischer, because Gau was not very strong or competent, and his team worsened the congestion at the fixed ropes.
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The bottleneck at the Hillary Step wasn't the only place a traffic jam occurred on May 10. Approximately 400 feet below the South Summit, an earlier bottleneck, below the ropes Neal Beidleman and Ang Dorje Sherpa fixed on the upper Southeast Ridge, caused significant delays, too, compounding the subsequent delays at the Hillary Step.
In Chapter 14 of The Climb, a book about the 1996 disaster co-authored by Anatoli Boukreev and G.  Weston DeWalt, DeWalt wrote this concerning the bottleneck below the  South Summit:
At 9:58 A.M. Beidleman made it to the South Summit, and thirty minutes  later, by his recollection, he was followed by Martin Adams…. For an  hour and a half to two hours, Adams recalled, he and Beidleman sat at  the South Summit alone. "Basically, the problem was that everybody  behind us was jammed up on the fixed ropes. Somehow, I think, some of  Rob Hall's slower clients had gotten in front of our group and they  couldn't pass.… [They] were staggered between the Balcony and just below the South Summit, jumbled among all of Fischer's clients… and the  Taiwanese climbers…. The Sherpas carrying the extra oxygen, like the  clients, were also strung between the South Summit and the Balcony. It  was, said one of Fischer's clients, "a jungle frick."
As I explained in Chapter 13 of Into Thin Air:
Above 27,400 feet, no ropes had been fixed ahead of time…. As a consequence, I ran smack into the first bottleneck ninety minutes after moving beyond  the Balcony,… where the intermingled teams encountered a series of  massive rock steps that required ropes for safe passage. Clients huddled restlessly at the base of the rock for nearly an hour while Beidleman…  laboriously ran the rope out….
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The traffic jam at the ropes grew with each arriving climber, so those at  the rear of the scrum fell farther and farther behind. By late morning,  three of Hall's clients — Stuart Hutchison, John Taske, and Lou  Kasischke, climbing near the back with Hall — were becoming quite  worried about the lagging pace. Immediately in front of them was the  Taiwanese team, moving especially sluggishly. "They were climbing in a  peculiar style, really close together," says Hutchison, "almost like  slices in a loaf of bread, one behind the other, which meant it was  nearly impossible to pass them. We spent a lot of time waiting for them  to move up the ropes."
Despite a consensus among almost everyone who was present that bottlenecks  below the South Summit and on the Hillary Step created significant  delays on May 10, Tracy insists repeatedly, in multiple videos, that  these delays were inconsequential, and had nothing to do with the fact  that ropes weren't fixed ahead of time.
I shot the photo above at approximately 8:30 A.M. I was looking down the  Southeast Ridge towards the Balcony at the time, while I waited for Neal Beidleman and Ang Dorje, who were directly above me, to start fixing  the first of multiple ropes on the Southeast Ridge. Note the throng of  climbers below who are ascending towards the bottom of the fixed ropes.  Anticipating a delay at the obvious bottleneck ahead, some of them have  already stopped at a less steep section of the Southeast Ridge to wait  for the crowd to thin.
Below is a screen grab from the 10:47 mark in Tracy's video, when he says:
In this photo that is Jon Krakauer looking down towards the Balcony where  he claimed to have waited for an entire hour and a half. You can see  that no ropes are fixed. There was no need to fix the ropes. No one  fixed them and people were not falling off the mountain, even though  there was a violent storm on the descent.
Although Michael Tracy has never been on this side of Everest, he apparently  considers himself more qualified to determine whether there was a need  for fixed ropes on the Southeast Ridge than the guides Neal Beidleman  and Michael Groom. Unlike Tracy, Beidleman and Groom were highly  accomplished Himalayan climbers who were actually present on May 10, and both of them believed ropes were necessary above this point to  safeguard their clients, some of whom were not highly skilled  mountaineers.
The photo in the screen grab was shot by Klev Schoening from the same place where I shot the previous photo above, but approximately ten minutes  later. That's Anatoli Boukreev on the left, Groom below him in the  yellow down suit, me in the red suit, and just behind me is Andy Harris  in the blue suit. You can see that the line of climbers who were well  below us in the earlier photo have now arrived at the base of the fixed  ropes, too, and are about to start waiting along with us.
Tracy is correct when he says, "You can see that no ropes are fixed." But  that's because Schoening's camera was pointed down when he snapped the  photo. Beidleman and Ang Dorje were fixing ropes immediately above us at the time, which explains why almost everyone in this photo is standing  around instead of moving upward. The photo, in other words, documents  the early moments of a major bottleneck.
In a video Tracy posted on December 30, 2024, he estimated the rate of  ascent, measured in vertical feet per hour, for me, Rob Hall, Neal  Beidleman, and Doug Hansen as we climbed from the South Col to the  Balcony, from the Balcony to the South Summit, and finally from the  South Summit to the summit of Everest in 1996. He then compared this  with the estimated climbing rate of Hansen and Hall on Everest in 1995,  and used this data — shown in the screen grab below — to arrive at the  conclusion there was "no evidence of delays at fixed ropes."
Tracy's conclusion is wrong, however, because his methodology was flawed and it was based on incorrect data Tracy obtained from the Himalayan Database. (As Tracy himself has acknowledged, expedition reports in the Himalayan Database filed during the 1990s often included erroneous information.)  Additionally, when Tracy compared climbing rates in 1995 to those of  1996, he failed to account for the fact that in 1995, unusually deep  snow was a significant impediment that slowed the climbers' rate of  ascent considerably, so his comparison was meaningless.
Tracy is correct that a small number of slow climbers contributed  significantly to delays on the fixed ropes, but he is wrong to attribute the delays entirely to the lagging pace of these individuals. The  delays resulted from the combination of slow climbers and the failure to fix ropes in advance, and these two factors in tandem had an adverse  impact that was significantly greater than the sum of their parts. Rob  Hall and Scott Fischer knew long before May 10 that some clients were  likely to be quite slow; this is why they were so adamant that it was  crucial for the ropes to be fixed ahead of time.
To accurately determine how much time was lost because ropes were not  fixed in advance, one needs to consider how the delay at the ropes  installed on the Southeast Ridge contributed to the delay at the ropes  installed on the Hillary Step. There is a simple way to do this:  Determine how many minutes the first client to ascend the fixed ropes on the Southeast Ridge had to wait before he could start ascending these  ropes, and then add this to the number of minutes the first client to  ascend the fixed ropes on the Hillary Step had to wait before he could  start ascending these ropes.
Beidleman and Ang Dorje started fixing ropes up the Southeast Ridge at  approximately 8:30 A.M. on May 10. Beidleman didn't finish fixing the  last of the new rope, and then pulling an old rope out of the snow above it, until approximately 9:50, even though he climbed remarkably fast.
The first client to go up the fixed ropes on the Southeast Ridge was Martin Adams, who waited more than 45 minutes at the base of the ropes before  he could start ascending them. On the Hillary Step, after Boukreev fixed a rope to the top, I was the first client to ascend it. I waited from  approximately 11:00 A.M., when I arrived on top of the South Summit,  until approximately 12:30 P.M., when I started ascending the rope up the Step. If you subtract 20 minutes to account for the time I spent  traversing the corniced ridge between the South Summit and the base of  the Hillary Step, I was delayed approximately 70 minutes.
The delay attributable to not fixing both sets of ropes was therefore 115  minutes. On a day when a matter of minutes determined who got down to  the tents before the storm turned into a deadly hurricane and who did  not, that's a lot of minutes.
At the 13:42 mark in his May 13 video Tracy alleges,
We need to look just briefly at the issue of why people were waiting at  South Summit [below the Hillary Step]. The reason people were waiting  had nothing to do with fixing ropes…. The reason for the delays at the  South Summit was bringing up the oxygen.
Tracy claims it didn't matter that fixing ropes on the Hillary Step didn't  begin until after the Sherpas bringing up cannisters of oxygen arrived  on the South Summit, because the clients had to wait, regardless, to  receive their third oxygen cannisters before continuing to the summit.
Tracy is wrong. He conspicuously fails to mention the obvious reason Sherpas  were slow to arrive at the South Summit with the oxygen cannisters: They were delayed by the traffic jam on the fixed ropes below the South  Summit — a traffic jam that was irrefutably made worse by the failure to fix those ropes in advance.
The Hillary Step is known to be the most problematic bottleneck on the  upper mountain. Fixing ropes here should have been initiated at the  earliest possible moment to minimize inevitable delays above the South  Summit, but this didn't happen. As a consequence, fixing ropes on the  Hillary Step used up a significant chunk of very precious time, during  which no client was be able to start ascending the Step, even after  receiving their third oxygen cannister. Charlotte Fox mentioned this  delay in an article she wrote for the 1997 American Alpine Journal:
After waiting for more than an hour the oxygen bottles finally arrived and  someone produced just enough rope for Anatoli to fix the Step…. After  more waiting for Anatoli and the Rob Hall "client," Jon Krakauer, to fix the line, the rest of us slowly moved off the South Summit.
Absolutely nobody, not even Michael Tracy, disputes that Rob Hall and Scott  Fischer agreed it was important to fix ropes in advance of their  clients' arrival at the upper Southeast Ridge and the Hillary Step, and  they announced a firm plan to do this. But for reasons that have never  been adequately explained, their plan wasn't carried out.
Tracy either misunderstands or misrepresents the profound impact that failing to adhere to this plan had on the delays on the Southeast Ridge and at  the Hillary Step. After Boukreev and Beidleman belatedly mobilized to  fix ropes on the Step, and then traversed one at a time from the South  Summit along the corniced ridge to arrive at the base of the Step, it  took Boukreev only about 20 minutes to fix a rope to the top of the  Step, after which climbers immediately started ascending that rope. But  bottlenecks on Everest are like bottlenecks at traffic lights during  rush hour: When 20 cars are stacked up behind a red light, all 20  vehicles don't simultaneously start to move forward at full speed the  moment the light turns green. It takes a while for traffic jams to  dissipate, whether they occur in crowded cities or on Mount Everest,  inevitably extending any delays. And when delays from traffic jams occur above 26,000 feet in the Everest Death Zone, the consequences can be  deadly.
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						Will sleeping in a cold tent give you a UTI? The crack medical team of /r/GilmoreGirls are on the case
					
				

				

					
				

			

		


		

			

				
			

		


		

		

		
			

			
				

					
						
						

					
					
how tf does one get a uti from sleeping in a tent?
bc it's cold, talking from experience here
you don't get a uti from being cold and same thing with catching a cold
I'm literally always cold and I've never gotten a uti or a cold from being cold 😂
i envy you, i've only gotten uti after being out in the cold and sitting on cold ground
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Cold temperatures can reduce blood flow to the bladder and surrounding areas, potentially compromising the natural defenses of the urinary tract. And cold exposure can weaken your immune response, making it harder for your body to fight off bacteria.
that's not how that works... not even how science works
It can if you have a propensity for UTIs. Not peeing regularly and not being able to wash can cause these issues if you already are pre disposed to bladder infections.
girlllll. Educate yourself lol
Nothing about it is medically wrong tho: Cold temperature increases the risk of getting UTI or a cold. I haven't phrased it well enough I see that, I assumed ppl would get what I mean :3 I also get the sense that my surrounding must have a weaker immune system in general than most redditors in this community😭
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