Previously, I had declared my feelings of affection to a female friend of mine (let's just call her Sarah because her name is Sarah). The feelings were not reciprocated, but she let me down in a weird way, she spoke about how she doesn't know how she feels, but she's not looking for a relationship at the moment. She embraces the asexuality meme which is partially how we ended up being friends.
More recently, I decided to give it another shot but to be more tactful this time. I told her I don't think I'm asexual anymore, and that I want to be in a relationship. Once again, she reiterated that she doesn't know how she feels and that a relationship isn't what she wants. Nevertheless, as always, she was nice about it and continues to actively pursue my friendship and constantly tells me she loves me.
At first, this confused me. However, I think I have some of it figured out. I have learned a bit about women and human relationships in general from this experience, and I'd like to share some of the reasons why it's almost certainly a bad idea to pursue your female friends. Now, of course there will be exceptions. Sometimes your female friend genuinely does like you and you'll have a romcom moment. My point is that that's probably not the case, and while you may view the friendship with rose-tinted glasses, she sees things totally differently.
1. They're used to it
Since they started developing breasts, women have been the center of sexual attention. It comes from all angles including older men, teachers, family members, and even other women. At some point, they get used to it and it becomes background noise. "Yes, he's ogling my breasts but I need to finish scanning my groceries".
The sexual attention also comes from male friends. You're NOT the first male friend to express romantic emotions, and you won't be the last. She's turned all of them down, what makes you think things will be different with you? She's used to it, she probably saw it coming, and she doesn't want it. If she did, you wouldn't have to ask because she'd make it obvious to you that she's romantically interested.
Now, there is the possibility of misreading signals, which brings us to the next point.
2. Women genuinely have platonic feelings
This is not to say that men are incapable of having platonic relationships. Nay, that is not my point. My argument is that it is much harder for men to do so. People shit on Steve Harvey but he was 100% correct when he said the following:
Things aren't the same with women. They can genuinely love you deeply without any sexual or romantic feelings. Why is this? Women don't have to deal with the famine mentality. For many men, s*x and love are scarce resources, so when it even vaguely seems like there's an opportunity for it, the feelings come on strong. Hence the cliche of "the cashier smiled at me now I want to marry her". (Most) women aren't leading you on intentionally when they allow intimacy into a friendship. That's the way friendships should be. But it doesn't mean she wants anything sexual or romantic.
3. You're in love because you're lonely
This is probably the crux of the issue. When you're starving, even a mud pie looks delicious. As men, you will face long stretches of loneliness and never being told you're beautiful, attractive, or worthy of anything. Inasmuch as catcalling and sexual objectification should be chastised, it at least serves as some kind of validation of one's attractiveness.
A friendship with a woman can bring about those feelings of validation within men and if you're not ready for it, it's going to develop into obsessive love. If you had higher self-esteem, more experience with women, or a source of love, your friendships with women would be completely normal and platonic. It's when these elements are missing that any smile, hug, or eye-gaze turns into fantasies of marriage.
When she inevitably turns you down, what are you left with? Nothing yet again. Nobody to say they love you or assure you that you are wanted in this world.
Things get more complicated if you're an introvert. Most relationships seem useless unless you're benefitting considerably. In your mind the thinking is "I'd only put this much effort into a relationship if I had romantic feelings". Whereas if the woman is an extrovert, it isn't costing her much mental energy to maintain the relationship. I hope that make sense.
4. She knows already
Don't bother. She already knows you like her. She accepts that as part of the cost of the friendship. That's not a bad thing. It means there's something good about you that she wants in her life even if its not of the romantic nature. You should be flattered by this even if it is heartbreaking at times.
Some women are a bit mean with this. They essentially get everything they would get from a boyfriend (someone to talk to, someone to take care of them) without the need to commit. But that's not always the case. In my case, Sarah goes out her way to be nice to me and to spend time with me. She's not using me for anything - a genuine, platonic friendship is all she wants. It's hard for my brain to wrap my head around it. I thought it was obvious that she felt something. Maybe I had to take the lead and break the ice? Nah, I'm convinced she knew ages ago I liked her but loved me enough to still be my friend despite not sharing romantic feelings.
5. You may lose everything
Life is about taking risks so I don't want to stress this point too much. However, if she doesn't already know and you spring it up on her, she may never trust you again and you will lose all the intimacy of your friendship. She will remain guarded around you, and perhaps even think of you as a slimy coomer who tried to use friendship to get into her pants. Shit can get brutal.
I've been lucky to have an understanding friends who has continued to be nice to me. I know that this isn't the case for everyone, and it also depends on how you respond to the rejection.
CONCLUSION
Heartbreak is one of the worst feelings to experience. It's like a knife constantly twisting in your chest. But it's part of life for most of us. A lucky few will find high-school sweethearts and never have to play the dating game, but for most of us, we're going to get rekt a couple times before we find the right one (if we ever do). Please, for the love of god, don't go looking for a girlfriend from your female friends. There's a difference between a girl friend and a girlfriend.
I'm probably preaching to the choir, and this may be obvious to most people here. But I know there are some neurodivergents who may need to read this to spare themselves the heartache I went through. The funny part is that if you're in love, nothing I write is going to change anything. You'll think your case is different. You'll try your luck. And you'll get rekt. But don't let me stop you. Some mistakes are meant to be made.
I know the asexuality meme isn't true. One day, she'll find a guy she likes (not me) and all that asexuality shit will disappear. And when it happens it will hurt like heck. However, I'm prepared, and I'll still be her friend. I'm wiser now thanks to the mistakes I've made. Thanks for reading.
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Sarah sounds like a lovely friend and I'm glad you have her in your life. It's only natural to become attracted to someone you share a lot with and who cares about you. It's not a fundamental flaw, you're human. Tbh I think the real issue is she's ace. She just doesn't have the capacity to feel romantic/sexual attraction. You're a wonderful and worthwhile man. At least you're out there FRICKING TRYING. You'll find your other half eventually.
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she wouldn't be ace for chad
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@grizzly is Chad
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I choose the bear.
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actually true, I was really annoyed when I found out like wtf you're supposed to be an incel
but I don't really think of him as human for the most part, he's just a nice bear 🧸
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I wouldn't be straight for Chad iykwim
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decent comment on rdrama?
i'm shocked and confused
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He's 5'2 just let him realise he's bound for a life of LDAR or banging some looksmatch liliputess.
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I don't want to say we told you so, but literally we all told you so. Take this as a learning opportunity and try to fancy a different woman.
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neighbor just do a r*pe at this point bc im tired of these garbage butt posts
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!male feminists
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More like hang yourself @sneedman
Shut up and do a flip when you finally give in
!deadBIPOCstorage (clean up crew) !BIPOCs
Communism will win when you stop blogposting
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!deadBIPOCstorage is about gourmet coffee, not storing dead BIPOCs
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Communism will win
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so true
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@houellebecq this neighbor fr lives in south africa? this neighbor just got dealt a shitty hand lmao ugly bitchless n poor 😂😂 ayo this neighbor losin at life
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@PoonstaryerCaribeaner im black too its really just a fricking skill issue
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you can actually block people on this site
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im not a fricking strag tho
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omg hi @JollyJihad!!! okay so this is like super awkward omg but basically i had to remove ur comment bc u didnt say
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When you cut yourself they're gonna see you as 'one of the girls", bro.
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Is this nyigga fwucking larping? "I've fwound out dwoing r-slurred thing is r-slurred."
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your comment sucks, you catfished me
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I beg to differ
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Reported for false advertising your comment is bad and you should feel bad.
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you just lack the media literacy to understand it in full
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This is so true though !biofoids thoughts?
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It's true.
This is also why the only male friends I have are gay. No need to worry about straight men making friendship weird.
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sorry bro i think you'd need to love yourself a lot more first
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Are u fricking r-slurred?
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Not fricking your friends is always the right move, it never ends well in my observations. Can also make other friends in the same group uncomfortable, or jealous, or a number of other problems.
As an aside, the idea that men can't have platonic female friendships has really erked me for my entire life. I've been friends with many women I don't want to frick but every single time I've been accused or hinted at being attracted to them. Now that I'm married it's worse too cause being close friends with another woman must mean I want to cheat, couldn't be farther from the truth but that's what society expects. Sometimes foids are just fun to be around
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It's not that they can't be friends, but there is a lot of ways things go wrong that normally won't happen in unisex friendships. And even when you have platonic feelings, the woman might feel something more. Similar to a romantic relationship, men and women need to be on the same page for a platonic one to work.
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Fair, if there's unbalanced expectations it'll fall apart for sure. Maybe that's why I've mostly been friends with tomboy lesbians, we're already on the same page.
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Had that as well. My statement is that I see them like sisters - and it's honestly true and describes my feelings best. I invest time to help them grow and and them becoming happy & successful. And seeing how I helped them gives me fuzzy & warm feelings. That's what I get from those friendships.
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I agree, I currently have a friend that I would consider my sister and seeing her happy makes me happy. Never felt the need to frick her, and I doubt she feels that way either, it would be such a violation of the trust we've built for me to try some shit like that even if I wanted to.
When I met my wife, we were romantic together fairly quickly, so the friendship developed alongside the romance. That was a much better way to go, being on the same page about what we wanted and not springing it on each other after building that friendship.
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Me too. A sister I want to frick.
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I've also considered "people of opposite sexes can't be friends unless at least one of them is gay" an absolutely caveman idea, and that a guy believing it would imply him being someone with zero standards and who would inevitably want to frick even the ugliest hambeast. However, I now think that the people who this kind of stuff just have a stricter concept of friendship, and would only consider a "friend" someone they are 100% comfortable talking about absolutely everything with, and who reciprocates this absolute trust. If this is the definition of friendship, it makes more sense.
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How many darn pictures you have of that chick?
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was this on groomercord
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Me, the avoidant attachment guy rejecting his female friends:
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You have a friend who loves you, quit being weird. Idiot.
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Is this neighbor making them breakfast in bed
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ngmi
Honestly tho, if she says love before you bang it is over.
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I really admire your positive attitude and ability to express things a lot of people know but may not articulate.
I'm behind on my Sneed lore, does your job involve writing?
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Last I checked he was a (former?) English PhD student.
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Do not fall in love with the first girl who is nice to you holy shit. Unironically find a legit transgirl to date as she will be way more mentally ill than you and you'll realize that putting any kind of woman on a pedestal is pants-on-head r-slurred
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What the frick I feel like this comment catfished me
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Kinda gay to be friends with a chick
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gayer than butt s*x with testicles touching
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Another sneedman journal update
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!poll_voters
Trans lives matter
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would whom r-slur?
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I see no pics, I'm not voting on cute twink
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you just can't help but selfharm?
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TLDR: women live on easy mode, what else is new
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Ngmi
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Literally just be hot and charming
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Yeeeeeaaaaaah. Never goes well. I actively avoid becoming anything more than casual-acquaintance-friend with any woman I am attracted to, in order to keep this from even becoming a possibility.
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…Why would you wanna stay in that kind of friendship? Sounds like it'd be awkward for everyone involved
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maybe shower more idk
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i have female friends. they're not my type.
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How old are you? You're supposed to learn this lesson by the end of high school.
You need to ask women out on dates before you even know them. The type of woman who would be creeped out or complain about this behavior, you don't want to date them anyways.
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Thos neighbor just confused getting rejected twice with heartbreak
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Hang in there sneedman
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Week 50: The Holly Willoughby schtick still wasn't funny
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They do, they're just starving by lack of something else. Once you find out what it is, you'll have more female attention than you can deal with (spoiler you have to give them consistent emotional/social/financial support)
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You pursue women. Your female friends should chase you.
Send her letters inked in your own blood.
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It depends on how close the friendship is and if you're even a little bit attractive. Some of these girls that are your “platonic friends” are biding their time for another girl to come along. They'll reject you until they feel like they have competition.
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