Reading Rdrama, it's become pretty clear that this dump is a rightoid circlejerk that's blind to what's actually happening in America, and I want to just spread the knowledge .
The first thing to handle: Am I biased? No - I'm a European () that's neurodivergentally into American Presidential Politics, especially the Cold War era (Franklin Roosevelt to H.W Bush), and I'd wager I know more about every era then most Americans here. Not saying that to brag, it's just autism.
So the next thing to handle - the state of the race. Which Dementia Daddy is winning? It started of with Trump fricking destroying Slumbering Joseph, who has been facing declining approval ratings ever since the fall of Kabul ( America hates to see an anti-war president). This is despite the fact that America does not like Trump. This is simply a fact, Americans have never liked Trump. He didn't win the popular vote against Hillary Clinton, herself massively unpopular, or Joe Biden.
Let's compare starting approvals. Gallup gives W. Bush 57% approval at the start of his term, which skyrockets to 91% by 9/11 and ends at 28% when he leaves office. Obama starts with 68%, getting a lowest approval rating of 42%. Even Sleepy Joe started with 55%. Donald Trump ? He started with 45% approval. That would peak at 49%, and would average at 41%. Please, I implore you to forget that you're a rightoid and accept a basic fact - Trump is not personally liked by Americans. They think he's a loudmouth butthole who's attitude is unfit for office, and during his term 59% of the public didn't like him. So, a Sleepy Joe sweep, right?
Biden started popular enough. He was basically an Obama third term, and Obama was massively popular. He was very old, the pic above is a newspaper reporting Nixon being re-elected while Biden unseats an incumbent, which was a concern, but people generally liked him.
That would change fairly swiftly. Inflation from the Covid spending , under Trump lmao, caught up with America and inflation became rampant. Joe Biden had been elected on a promise of being a boring cracker who could let people forget about politics for a while, an elder statesman who would handle everything. He was already being blamed for the economy, but then there was the pull-out. Despite it being awesome, America finally stops wasting money on that shithole, Americans were horrified by the images it produced. His approval ratings sank like a rock and disapproval ratings soared.
The "Joe Biden is too old to lead" stuff went from a Republican talking point to basically accepted fact. The public was promised a boring statesman they could forget about it, and they're seeing global chaos and inflation - which has gotten back to decent rates, but since the only way prices will go down is through a recession, no one thinks it has. I mean yeah you have dipshit shooters like Will Stancil, but that's about it. So, Drumpf sweep right?
Yes and no. Despite Biden's massive unpopularity, the Red Wave promised for 2022 was barely a red drizzle - the Trump Republicans were so massively unpopular, the Democrats managed to narrowly expand a Senate majority, unseated 3 incumbent governors and Republicans only got 9 seats from the 435 seats up for election in 2022. The public hated Joe Biden, but the Democrats weren't unpopular. However, that doesn't change the fact that Joe Biden is unpopular.
Turns out deplatforming works, hooray! With Trump, he became less of a man and more of an idea. Yeah, Trump was an butthole - but prices were low and the world was at peace. (Incidentally, ask anyone who thinks this how exactly Trump will do this again and watch them not answer you.) America has always loved it's Dirty Harrys and Dr. Houses - take no shit buttholes who get results. Trump, away from the spotlight and with Biden viewed with contempt, was poised to crush Biden. That was until;
Some rightoids have tried to spin this, arguing the public doesn't care that Trump paid hush money to his mistress. They're on the right line of thinking, but they're overestimating the public's knowledge. They don't know what Trump did, and they don't care. Trump went from butthole they don't like to Convicted Criminal(tm) - a massive step up. They have faith in the institutions, they think whatever the verdict is, it's fair, and while they could hold their nose to vote for the butthole that made prices low, they can't do it for a Convicted Criminal(tm).
Biden's popularity hasn't change. They still think he's a senile idiot that shouldn't be in office - but he's not a Convicted Criminal(tm). For contrast, NeoCon-Nikki Haley has pulled anything from 4% to 13% over Joe Biden. While the highest results were obvious bullshit, the pattern is there. If Biden didn't have to run against Trump, he would get his butt paddled.
So, two massively unpopular old men are running against each other. One is a criminal nobody has ever liked, the other is a senile r-slur. Who wins?
Frick knows mate. Trump leads in some key swing states, like Arizona and Michigan, but his sheer unpopularity following the conviction has led to these being narrow leads. Worse still, the Biden Campaign has about $100 million more then the Trump Campaign, so some targeted ads could ruin Trump. If I had to goomble, and I do , I would put money on Biden winning. The warchest advantage will be the difference maker, but I wouldn't be surprised if Trump won.
Personally, I'm rooting for Biden winning while losing the popular vote . I think the Rightoid outrage after 2016 would be funny.
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I don't believe for a second that his conviction is going to matter. Everyone knows that the guy is a criminal, even his supporters. Everyone who possibly would be turned off by that has been turned off by many things before. They know what they're getting in Trump. For his supporters he's a better martyr than Jesus. For a lot of swing voters, he's a lunatic butthole but they're willing to accept that if they think Biden is worse. Nobody was thinking "maybe Trump is actually a good guy" and then he gets convicted and that changes their mind.
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Then explain the data.
People knew Trump was a corrupt butthole, but you're underestimating what the term "Convicted Criminal" does to the mind of a normie.
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Watch rightoids pretend statistics aren't real when it's not 1352 or 41 !grillers
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!math !ifrickinglovescience we cannot tolerate this statistics slander
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Plus it's 1350, just like the stripes and stars
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If I wasn't a STEMcel stat would probably be the most important math I ever took
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I'm ridin with biden
Edit: unless anyone has a better idea to defeat the MAGA right
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who's that ?
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use it on yourself
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tbh I normally get my election odds from https://electionbettingodds.com/
I just don't think it really matters.
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Books change odds as bets come in to encourage action on both sides. has tons more supporters willing to waste their money showing they support him, and so the massive amount of money they've placed on him winning has caused the line to shift massively, making it seem like Trump is incredibly likely to win.
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Yeah, that's the main drawback of using betting odds. I would argue it's really less of the book changing odds in this case though - generally these companies sell "contracts" that resolve to money if a given condition is true. So like based off this you can buy a contract that pays $1 if Trump wins for $0.54. But you're really buying it from other clients who are selling them, they run a double-sided book.
At some level there's going to be fanatics who want to throw away money but the markets for the presidential election are fairly large and I'd assume that the clients are more interested in making money than they are in showing support.
You made me click through their FAQ though. They claim that it's accurate, and link to this page as proof: https://electionbettingodds.com/TrackRecord.html But unfortunately for them, that page resolves to a 404 lmao.
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Trump fans have somehow given DJT, a company with <$10 million in revenue, a $6 billion valuation. Just saying.
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You're not wrong but nikola was at some point valued at $30B with $0 revenue.
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if you've found an actual market inefficiency you would be dumb to not exploit it. are you betting on biden?
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That's only partially true. Books keep track of their most successful bettors and are willing to shade their odds to be on the same side as their most successful customers. In other words, they'll take a risk of lopsided action if the side with the most money coming in is from dumb gamblers.
Biden is listed at bovada at +165. That means that it's a great bet if Biden has more than a 37.7% chance of winning. Money hungry people are looking at this and aren't taking it. We're talking gigantic betting syndicates that have hundreds of analysists and that risk millions of dollars a day don't care for these odds.
Also, Trumps gambling odds gave him a very low chance of winning in 2016 or 2020. History does not suggest that people like betting on him.
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Bovada is not a sharp book and you'd be mistaken in assuming gigantic betting syndicates are consistently allowed to take large positions there.
t. Bet-limited and eventually banned from bovada for winning too consistently
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BetOnline is a sharp book that famously welcomes sharp bettors. You can get +130 there with an implied probability of 43.5%.
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Is that a single polling source? I prefer 538 (they were the closest in 2016, everyone else called Hilldawg way earlier) but IDK if it's even still Silver still?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/
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Nate Silver left in 2023 (he has a Substack). 538 hired Nate's rival lmao
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The fact that I'm going to read that article and enjoy it is further proof I'll never get laid in the future
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@USA_Polling
What the frick is that? At least throw in some data from Gallop of Pew.
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I actually think very few trump voters even like him at all or think he's a good president. He's just a giant middle finger to the Democrats and the absurd US media, that's it.
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Say what you will about Michael Moore (fat) but he knocked it out of the park 7 years ago:
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Wasn't Michael Moore a die-hard leftoid? Rare that type to say anything nice about other team
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He's to the left of stalin but has a decent grasp of the everyday people mindset.
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Blue collar Midwestern populist
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oic ty bb
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There is no depth to which I will not sink for a chance to inconvenience progressives
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WE'RE GOING BACK ON THE PILE!
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I spent all of my life hating the dude. Then the media was like “he called Mexicans male feminists!” Which was a lie, and I've spent my whole life hating the media more than trump. And then it turned out that trump was actually funnny and I was wrong for hating him. And if they put him in prison, I might vote for the first time in my life, cause that would be hilarious
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I used to think drunpf was up to something, but clearly he's squeaky clean. Obunga literally had the feds tapping candidate trumps phones in 2016-2017. They were completely spying on him, and ended up having to make up all those Russia conspiracies just to ham string his term. Why would they have to do the hush money case and all the rest of the k1kery, if he were guilty of all sorts of crimes?
That said, I wouldn't be even slightly surprised if this were all theatre. And trumps a p-do trafficking turbo criminal like all the establishment people are.
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