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For 3 months arr 538 has furiously debated how Dems can win back voters and be competitive again. This has climactically culminated in the current thread where everyone is defending open borders extremism.

https://old.reddit.com/r/fivethirtyeight/comments/1iuts12/trump_gets_broad_backing_on_illegal_immigration/

								

								

Trump Gets Broad Backing On Illegal Immigration Crackdown: I&I/TIPP Poll

Background: this and r ezraklein have had the same discussion since the election. Both subs are politically more moderate than most Redditors but are still hopelessly libtarded on some issues. Including illegal immigration apparently. If you want to see what liberal wonks are thinking it's good to check them out.

With all due respect to the poll, does it matter if they have broad backing on an inhumane and grotesque policy? Slavery at one point had broad backing, it didn't make it any more right.

And given that polls are wickedly unreliable it's a pointless gesture to even measure.

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You mean it shows how out of touch you and most Democrats are. (-5)

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No, we're just not Nazis. But keep on trying champ. Keep on trying.

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All nations that deport people are Nazis? Wow that's worldwide then.

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Well there are Nazis everywhere. But yes classifying a group of people as "illegal" and then sending them to Gitmo? Yep, that is some Nazi level stuff.

Nazis everywhere! Even under his bed! Does this Redditor go slashing up windmills with Sancho Panza?

Becuase it's not about illegal immigration it's about ensuring a vulnerable population feels threatened. See the chicken plant fiasco from a couple years ago where an ice raid was called by the owners of the plant themselves after the workers were demanding better working conditions and were raising issues of sexual assault from management.

https://time.com/6107024/joe-biden-ice-raids-immigrant-families/

>t. :#soysnootypefasttalking:

!chuds !trump2028 !sneed when will the Dems next be back in power? Surely David Hogg will save them?

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With all due respect to the poll, does it matter if they have broad backing on an inhumane and grotesque policy?

Access to white people is a human right.

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Becuase it's not about illegal immigration it's about ensuring a vulnerable population feels threatened.

If they feel so threatened they have the option to ... not come here?

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Also, the more systemic the deportation policy, the less the threat can be used to coerce anyone. The fear of being ratted out only exists in a situation where being caught normally is rare.

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The fear of being ratted out only exists in a situation where being caught normally is rare.

Which tbf is sort of the situation today but that's not Trump's fault at all.

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Anne Frank, but she buys the ticket to the camp.

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Who torpedoed the border bill in 2024 again?

The election is over. You don't have to do this anymore. Crying that the rethugs didn't rubber stamp your last minute butt covering move didn't convince the voters.

But zero effort going after employers that hire them.

Ok, fair enough. :marseyshrug:

The immigration polling has been interesting because you find pretty broad support for "mass deportations" but when you ask about specific details that come with mass deportations, they're mostly unpopular. For example, there's a poll linked here that finds support for "deporting ALL immigrants who are illegally in the country" at a net +6 but when asked about deporting undocumented immigrants that haven't been convicted of a violent crime the support drops to -7.

Wow. You're telling me that you can manipulate polls by phrasing things differently or asking leading questions? Do pollsters know this?

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Who torpedoed the border bill in 2024 again?

How can they still raise this talking point when Trump is obviously taking a strong stance on the matter lol

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>Trump Gets Broad Backing On Illegal Immigration Crackdown: I&I/TIPP Poll

Who's the broad? Is she hot?

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Knowing Trump it's some 5'10 blonde.

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Blondes never really did it for me, can she be brunette instead?

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A longlegged brunette has been dispatched to your location, patriqt. :marseysaluteusa:

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What would you call Melania's hair colour?

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Ugly.

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when will the Dems next be back in power?

Depends if there is a bad economic crash that plunges the US into a really bad recession or depression or if the GOP does something very unpopular like completely gutting Social Security or Medicare.

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With all due respect to the poll, does it matter if they have broad backing on an inhumane and grotesque policy? Slavery at one point had broad backing, it didn't make it any more right.

Redditors uphold democracy as a sacred value that's axiomatically good, but the second it points in a direction they don't like they draw parallels to slavery lol

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I have to give credit to open borders r-slurs, because they're usually not demanding hidden immigrants clean their pottys for pennies. At least when they're not supporting illegal immigration during the fricking transition period.

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