Here is why:
A) Iran's GDP has continued to grow year on year and it is currently a healthy economy:
This means that the main rival of Israel in the middle east is a nation state that is growing in power year on year and will not over time become pro Israel or even neutral to Israel. It ensures that whenever Israel stops the current conflict, the next one will be worse with middle eastern organizations attacking Israel again in 10-20 years time.
B) Saudi Arabia cannot actively side with Israel even if it benefits them:
Saudi Arabia has stated it will not normalize relations with Israel until a Palestinian state is formed for the Palestinians. The current conflict has frozen the normalization of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia and while Saudi Arabia continues to liberalize, that liberalization in no form guarantees Saudi Arabia getting along with Israel as a friend in the region. The populace of Saudi Arabia itself would likely turn against the monarchy if they ever made open gestures of goodwill towards Israel. This means Israel at best has neutral powers in the middle east, and at worst enemies, but never allies.
C) The Pro Palestine protests in the US are far larger than the Pro Israel protests
This would have been unheard of and unthinkable even 10 years ago. Based on the trends we see among the US populace, they have zero interest in supporting an Israeli regime in the middle east, and the support is by the political bureaucracy rather than the public which over time continues to grow more anti-middle east participation for the US. The current generation college kids being anti-Israel means the next generation of politicians will be anti-Israel. This puts a 20 year window for Israel after which the American elite will end up being anti-Israel, especially taking into account how heavy handed the institutions of the US have been against anti-Israel protestors to the point of making the US appear to not be a democracy even in name. Nobody who participated in the protests came out later thinking darn the Israeli's were actually right, but many people who were neutral probably came out thinking why the frick are we kissing Israeli butt this hard I don't want to support these guys.
D) As far as the average middle easterner is concerned Sinwar died as a Martyr:
For them the drone released footage of Sinwar shows a man fighting till his last breath in defiance against the Israeli occupation. For the Israeli's it shows a man dying a pathetic death. ( A pathetic death according to Israeli's is when it takes three tank hits, one MATADOR hit, a drone, and a sniper to kill a single man). The Israeli's made the mistake of thinking showing footage of the death of Sinwar would demotivate the average middle easterner but they do not understand the different cultural mindset of the middle east. There dying for a cause is something to be celebrated and considered heroic. Releasing the footage of the death of Sinwar struggling against the IDF till the last breath only guaranteed that the middle east will have more Sinwar's emerge in the years ahead.
E) The Isreali's keep shooting themselves in the foot with bad decisions:
13 years ago, Sinwar was am Israeli prisoner. They released him to the Palestinians along with 1026 other prisoners in exchange for a single Israeli soldier. Any person with common sense can tell you this was an r-slured decision. As nobody is worth releasing 1000 enemy combatants for. The Israeli's however go on to put such a premium on Israeli lives that they would release a 1000 potential threats for a single one of theirs even though those thousand threats could end up killing another 100 Israeli's down the line. Israel being Israel is pretty much guaranteed to make similar decisions again down the line. The downside of a superiority complex.
F) Israel has committed war crimes in their zeal to destroy HAMAS and other threats to Isreal:
The most visible of these is the destruction of medical facilities in Gaza making it impossible for any part of the Gazan population to seek medical treatment. This indisputably counts as a war crime. More than 11,000 children are also believed to have been killed in Gaza so far by more conservative estimates. Only in a mindset where an Israeli life is considered worth more than a middle east Muslim life can the attacks and the scale be justified in terms of how many civilian casualties have taken place. If you are not r-slurred, you might be able to comprehend why the middle eastern neighbors of Israel themselves may not consider this to be an equal exchange and carry on hating Israel for mass crimes against the Muslim populations of the middle east.
G) Israel doesn't understand that it is not the US:
Even the US invasion of Iraq after 9/11 may not have killed as many Iraqi's as the number of Gaza population so far killed by Israel since the beginning of this conflict. What Israel appears to be unable to comprehend of accept is that the US can get away with it because they are a continent away and even when they invade they do their best to limit their damage to the actual combatants and kills thousands of people in total across a decade instead of an year of constant shelling. Even by US we can do whatever we want war standards, this is a massacre being perpetrated by the Israeli's. A killing spree large enough in scale as to 100% guarantee that there will be further retaliation down the line no matter what the Israeli's do now.
Conclusion:
The Israeli's are behaving with the confidence of the US while attacking their enemies but they do not realize that the US only ever did that was because they were always safely a continent away. The US also was killing fewer people per year even during wartime standards and Israel continues to further lose global support over time. The pro-Palestine protests dwarf the pro-Israel protests in the US now and we can expect today's anti-Israel public in the US to be the anti-Israel politicians 20 years down the line. Israel is in time gong to end up stranded with zero support fighting off the entire middle east by itself. Sinwar's death made him a martyr to the average middle easterner and attacks would continue on Israel 10 or 15 years down the line even if Israel were to stop the conflict now. The very existence of Israel in the middle east creates a forever war and that will never change. A forever war and losing support consistently over time guarantees the state losing in the end. Factor in the Iran's economy is growing well right now and we can see that the attacks on Israel will only get worse in terms of capabilities over time.
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!historychads this guy studied the middle East. Pay attention.
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Shh everyone. A Paki is talking
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COPE THREAD! COPE THREAD!
Wailing cowards in tunnels, loooooollll
Blown up by 80 jdams, loooooooooolllllll
Ate a tank shell the first time outta your sewer in a year, loooooooooooolllllllllll
Wats next, cowards?
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!homeowners destroy this house bomber!
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You back, r*pe bro? Nutted over some Oct 7 vids today, you filthy worthless c*nt?
It does mean another cope thread, tho!
Make sure you ping me this time, coward!
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lmao still sneeding.
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Lmao, still a r*pe bro
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Source?
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Lmao
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@BrasilIguana have not and @BrasilIguana will not read you're stupid fricking long post
Just wanted you too know that, also long live the CCP
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I disagree
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why?
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Because you're incorrect
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How?
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Your conclusions are wrong
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Iran and Hezbollah understood that Israel was on a timer due to demographic changes and Iran leveling up its nuclear program and military. The birth rate differential between Israelis and Palestinian is why Israel is funding their Orthodox community to spawn tons of babies despite those neighbors being obnoxious leeches on their government. With each decade that passed Iran and it's allies would be better able to defend Gaza in with conventional and nuclear missile systems as deterrence, and Israel would have less manpower to stop them.
But Hamas fricked it up with their attack last year. Even when they met with Hezbollah beforehand the Hezbollah officials asked for more time to prepare. Hamas went ahead anyways and it's resulted in Gaza being levelled and Hezbollah+Hamas getting their leadership cooked. The territorial gains Israel made are very real, and Israel will likely consolidate them even further. Sure the Palestinian resistance will continue, but it's taken huge blows that it will struggle to recover from in the next few decades.
The rest of the Middle-East would like to help the Palestinians in Gaza but they have their own problems to worry about. Saudi Arabia is pivoting towards being closer with the West, Jordan just wants to keep the peace as they've been burned by both Israel and Hamas before, and Egypt is in the same boat as Jordan. Erdogan from Turkey has postured a bit but ultimately Turkey and it's closest ally Azerbaijan are military partners who have their own battles to fight and don't want more Arab refugees flooding in. That leaves Lebanon, which Israel is invading right now, and Syria, who is in no shape to fight any sort of war right now after their brutal civil war.
Basically Israel is in a good position right now to do what it wants.
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Wouldn't this completely backfire in the end no matter what?
Yeah, but doing what it wants is still going to result in Israel being surrounded by nation states that despise Israel and terrorist organizations that would be attacking Israel in another 10 years time.
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Probably. If I had to guess I'd say Israel plans on making even the Ultra-Orthodox neighbors be useful, as seen in the recent ruling that removed their military exemptions.
Iran might, which is why Israel is trying to get the USA to fight Iran now. But the rest of the Arab countries are becoming increasingly grillpilled and just want to improve their own economies in peace. These governments have been burned by the Islamist groups they've previously assisted and sheltered.
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Good last point.
I still think Israel is going to lose in the end because the Ultra Orthodox jews are going to out reproduce everybody else and become a default backwards Middle eastern people.
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The only smart point you've made so far. That said, we're already building backup gas chambers just incase those r-slurred freaks get too uppity.
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You know what. I can't even be mad about you guys destroying the middle east anymore. You are all just equal opportunity r-slur hunters. Carry on then.
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Honestly it's a real concern for Israel. The competent people in Israeli (and Jewish) history have typically been the secular ones who don't have a high birth rate (well higher than the western world but still barely at replacement).
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In all of human history the top 10% appear to reproduce far less than the rest.
That's why the real challenge is to keep making the general populace smarter until even your r-slurs are smarter than they were 10 years ago.
I think if Israel is not destroying from outside, it will end up destroyed from within. Too many r-slurs inside having 7 kids per couple.
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Snapshots:
Iran's GDP has continued to grow year on year and it is currently a healthy economy:
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Saudi Arabia cannot actively side with Israel even if it benefits them:
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The Pro Palestine protests in the US are far larger than the Pro Israel protests:
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As far as the average middle easterner is concerned Sinwar died as a Martyr:
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The Isreali's keep shooting themselves in the foot with bad decisions:
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Israel has committed war crimes in their zeal to destroy HAMAS and other threats to Isreal:
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Israel doesn't understand that it is not the US:
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I studied the Bible.
Israel is going to look like it loses but in the end Jesus comes back and kills everyone else.
!christians !lutherans !calvinists !mormons
Sorry !Islam
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If you really want to sound like the bible you have to include 40 pages of shockingly horrible ranting about how bad the Jewish people are and then a "btw we are still the chosen people of God" at the end. Certain books are a bit... they're all over the place in terms of tone, if you know what I mean?
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God only hurts the Jews because He loves them, they just shouldn't have looked at that Golden Calf for so long.
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Second coming is when he kills the antichrist with a spear and then starts fricking up the jews and all the things they hide behind will call out to the Believers except the box thorn
-Sahih Muslim (Book 41, Hadith 6985) and Sahih Bukhari (Book 56, Hadith 791).
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Nah nah theres the 1000 years of peace and all that, Satan being loosed for a season, Gog.com and Magog. There's like a cool dragon with crown and shit. 144,000. A mountain splits in half.
It's gonna be so dramatic.
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wigga Israel is about to nuke that healthy and growing economy back to the nomadic sheepfricking days it comes from
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Nuking it would immediately turn the world against Israel. I bet Israel will nuke Iran.
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Sadly I don't think actual nukes will be used, just numerous large bombs......... but there will never be enough
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I should have realized you were the r-slurred Dalit earlier.
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tl;dr
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I have a conclusion at the end of my post.
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As long as the US and its allies are behind Israel (which they always will be, America especially will always be largely anti-Muslim while the 9/11 generation is still around) they will never ever go anywhere. Get used to them killing every high-profile terrorist leader for the next 20 years up to and including the Ayatollah if he gets too uppity
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The largest political streamer on twitch said Amerikkka deserved 9/11 and lost none of his fanbase for it. Like a lot of things, the only thing maintaining our current state of normalcy are boomers. They didn't have enough kids and are more likely to vote anyway so politicians only pander to them. The day they lose their demographic majority and become irrelevant for elections is the day Israel gets abandoned. Israel is going scorched earth because they know this and are making the most of what support they still have while they can.
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because half his fanbase is third worlders coping that "this time its REALLY over for the evil west"
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Tbh I think you don't realise that anyone that isn't on board with the bomb Muslims agenda when entering any government position with real power is immediately buck broken in to agreement by the establishment because at the end of the day it's this policy that ensures the continued United States hegemony. Israel is the one of the most important strategic assets in the world to this end. There's a reason the US simps so hard and it's not because of blind allegiance or naivety. If the US loses Israel it loses its enitire power projection and intelligence capabilities in the ME and it's check on Iran (China) in the region. There's only so much they can do with Kuwait, who in the event of all out war would probably join the axis or declare neutrality due to geographic necessity.
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This is like meeting yourself in a parallel universe except over there you're an r-slur.
I think for all of these points, I've made some kind of argument here that's somehow related. Except he's drawing totally the wrong lessons from everything. Like when I say that Israel is ultimately not winning anything from this war, I'm saying that because it's not immediately obvious. I've never said that the Iranian regime is losing because it's so obvious it doesn't have to be said.
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lol.
Everything you are saying appears to agree with everything that I said.
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That's a lot of words. Too bad I'm not going to read them.
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If history is anything to go by, the Jews will get overconfident and lose support until it eventually backfires on them. Happens every century or so. Eventually the hardline religious extremists will end up dragging down the modest secular Jews with them and "Jewish persecution incident #124153" will get added to the history books. I'm not expecting them to ever lose to terrorists, but its likely that they'll gradually isolate themselves.
I don't think there's ever been quite as much backlash to Israel as there has been this past year, with even normies souring on them and discussion on corruption from Israel funding foreign governments creeping into the conversation. Heck, you've even got people openly talking about "Zionists" across social media now when that was previously the kind of power level you kept hidden. I'm not expecting a "happening," but much like other endemic social issues of today, we're seeing a continued boiling without addressing the underlying discontentment.
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Israel isn't going anywhere either, this shit will still be going on in 300 years
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Maybe.
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This is how BRICS wins
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The purpose of BRICS isn't to win. It is to ensure that the western systems do not completely take over the world and dominate other major nation states in other parts of the world.
The B R I C and S in BRICS are all generally pretty independent of the western world with the possible exception of Brazil.
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No
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maybe
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I think you're right. The one ace in the hole is nuclear weapons, but if they become internationally isolated even those won't help. However, this is over a very long term, I expect Israel to still be an apartheid polity in the next thirty years.
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Rome getting overthrown by barbarians again black lives matter
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This pretty much. It's been a long term project of the west to normalize relations with the middle east and bring back all the Abrahamic lands into the same fold. At some point either the Israeli's will destroy all middle eastern nations or the middle eastern nations will oust Israel from the middle east. They keep killing each other too frequently in time for any other option to be possible.
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