!nooticers !jidf !trump2024 HOW DOES HE DO IT?
A senior Hamas official has called for an immediate end to Israel's war against the group in the Gaza Strip and a plan to achieve Palestinian statehood in remarks shared with Newsweek in the wake of former President Donald Trump's election victory.
"The election of Trump as the 47th president of the USA is a private matter for the Americans," Hamas Political Bureau member and spokesperson Basem Naim told Newsweek, "but Palestinians look forward to an immediate cessation of the aggression against our people, especially in Gaza, and look for assistance in achieving their legitimate rights of freedom, independence, and the establishment of their independent self-sovereign state with Jerusalem as its capital."
"The blind support for the Zionist entity 'Israel' and its fascist government, at the expense of the future of our people and the security and stability of the region, must stop immediately," he added.
When previously in office, Trump forged a close relationship with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is today engaged in a multifront war against the Iran-aligned Axis of Resistance that began with a large-scale Hamas-led attack against Israel in October 2023. However, Trump has also expressed criticism of Netanyahu's wartime leadership and has called for a timely end to the conflict.
Reached for comment, an Israeli official told Newsweek that "maintaining and building upon the special relationship between the U.S. and Israel has been a bipartisan feature of American politics since the founding of the Jewish state."
"We have no doubt that this will continue to be the case," the Israeli official said. "Going forward, we look forward to a strong working relationship with his administration to bring about a more peaceful, secure and prosperous Middle East."
With continued signs of disagreement between President Joe Biden and Netanyahu over the course of the war despite sizable U.S. military aid, the Israeli premier was the first to congratulate Trump on what was described as "history's greatest comeback."
"Your historic return to the White House offers a new beginning for America and a powerful recommitment to the great alliance between Israel and America," Netanyahu said in his statement Wednesday.
Netanyahu later spoke with Trump. The conversation was described by the Israeli side as a "warm and cordial" exchange in which the two "agreed to work together for Israel's security, and also discussed the Iranian threat."
Newsweek has reached out to Hezbollah and the Iranian Permanent Mission to the United Nations for comment.
The Israel-Hamas war, which has since expanded to include an Israeli air and land offensive against the Hezbollah movement in Lebanon, strikes from other Axis of Resistance factions in Iraq, Syria and Yemen and even direct exchanges of strikes between Israel and Iran, has proven a polarizing foreign policy issue in the U.S.
While Biden has both continued to provide military assistance to Israel and call for greater safeguards to mitigate civilian harm, he has been accused by Israel supporters of not doing enough to aid the U.S. ally and by pro-Palestinian factions of failing to sufficiently rein in Netanyahu.
Vice President Kamala Harris' campaign largely echoed the Biden administration's position, calling for peace and expressing sympathy to the plight of civilians caught in the conflict while at the same rejecting any calls to withhold arms sales to Israel.
In a statement issued Wednesday, Hamas also called for an end to Israel's campaign in Lebanon and for the U.S. to "stop providing military support and political cover to the Zionist entity, and to recognize the legitimate rights of our people."
"The American president-elect is required to listen to the voices that have been raised from American society itself for more than a year regarding the Zionist aggression on the Gaza Strip," the statement said, "rejecting the occupation and genocide, and objecting to support and bias toward the Zionist entity."
Palestinian National Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who leads the West Bank-based government that rivals the Gaza-based Hamas, also congratulated Trump on his election victory Wednesday.
Abbas expressed "his aspiration to work with President Trump for peace and security in the region" and stressed "the commitment of our people to seek freedom, self-determination and statehood, in accordance with international law," according to a statement published by the Palestine News and Information Agency (WAFA).
"We will remain steadfast in our commitment to peace," Abbas was quoted as saying, "and we are confident that under your leadership the United States will support the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people."
Both Hamas and Abbas had frequently condemned Trump's Middle East measures while he was in office, including his 2018 decision to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to the disputed city of Jerusalem and his 2020 plan to end the decades-long Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The proposal, widely branded as a "deal of the century," would have granted Israel control over internationally unrecognized Jewish settlements in the West Bank and occupied areas along the Jordanian border. Hamas and other Palestinian factions would be disarmed, Palestinians would recognize Israel as a Jewish state, refrain from participation in any international organizations without Israeli consent and receive some desert territory along the Israel-Egypt border, as well as access to international investments.
In one of its most ambitious steps, the proposal also outlined for the establishment of a tunnel connecting the West Bank and Gaza.
While the plan failed to gain momentum in the Arab world, Trump successfully oversaw the Abraham Accords later that year that led to the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco establishing diplomatic relations with Israel.
Trump also oversaw a sharp rise in tensions between Washington and Tehran, particularly with the U.S. withdrawal from a multilateral nuclear deal in 2018 and the U.S. killing of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force chief Major General Qassem Soleimani in Iraq in 2020.
The Republican leader has since accused Biden and Harris of being too soft on Iran and he has repeatedly asserted that the war in Hamas would not have happened under his presidency. At the same time, Trump has accused his Democratic rivals of seeking to spark a greater war in the Middle East, something he has vowed to avoid.
"We want a strong and powerful military and ideally, we don't have to use it," Trump said during his election night victory speech. "You know, we had no wars four years. We had no wars. Except we defeated ISIS, we defeated ISIS in record time."
"They said, 'He will start a war.' I'm not going to start a war," Trump said early Wednesday. "I'm going to stop wars."
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Please stop, I can only get so erect
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What's the issue
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Unironically the only way to achieve peace.
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Bullshit, parking lots would make terrible golf courses
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I was thinking you use the rubble piles to sculpt terrain features
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I could see it, do golf courses work near the sea or would it be too gusty?
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Have you ever heard of that place called Scotland? Already has plenty of decaying rubble as a proof of concept
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Wind is a part of what makes golf sporting- after all golf originated in the Scottish lowlands, so dealing with wet grass, rolling terrain and gusty winds is part of a sporting challenge. Gaza would be an excellent location for a course, UXO could also add an element of risk to getting too far off the green as well
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Dramabros anyone down for a round of golf in Gaza when Trumpstein bulldozes it?
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Lmao Biden/Harris will go down along side Carter in regards to foreign policy
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There's no comparison. Carter was dealt a really bad hand. There was no good solution to the Iran thing. And keep in mind he's dealing with the Cold War all around the world. Biden's people can't even manage a world where basically the only really hostile power is fricking Iran. Carter began rebuilding our military so it could go from the post-Vietnam era to the kickass force we had in the 1980s. The Biden administration has stuck its head in the sand about preparing for a war with China.
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was the good solution then and is the good solution now
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Doesn't solve the problem as all the hostages would be executed.
Not practical because off the top of my head:
They were a huge share of global oil production back then. This would have caused a global recession for years.
The Soviet Union (our real enemy) had just invaded Afghanistan. If there was a power vacuum in Iran they could take over in a matter of days. (If you don't understand why the Soviets were a higher priority than Iran, then pls keep yourself safe zoomer.)
This would completely derail our whole narrative of the Cold War at that time, that we're innocent but Soviet military aggression around the world is forcing us to oppose them.
They had state-of-art air defenses for the time: HAWK missiles, F-14s. We trained them, so they knew how to use this stuff and they also knew exactly how we would attack them. Planes would get shot down, the guy ejects, and he gets captured. Now they've got one more hostage.
Without Iran to hold him in check, Saddam Hussein might do something crazy, like invading Kuwait.
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Using bigger bombs would solve each and every point you made
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calm down there curtis lemay
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No
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Curtis LeMay could have been our VP, maybe president if we were lucky.
If.
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
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Carter dealt himself that hand?
Cyrus Vance was always explicit about his contempt for the Shah and the need for democracy in Iran. The degree to which the U.S. was horsetrading to foment the overthrow instead of just showing tacit approval for the revolution is not clear. It isn't clear because all of these records are conspicuously absent compared to other US foreign involvement at the time. They sheepishly admit to the evidence ratfricking in 2016 by letting Pat Derian's NY Times obit leak that she shredded all of her state department records before the Reagan admin took over to "protect human rights". But of course it wasn't just Derian who shredded her records at the state department. 80% of those records on Iran are just gone. Vance and Brzezinski's records are so conspicuously absent historians are releasing books today saying things like "yeah so based on these new documents it looks like Brzezinski just probably didn't know how weak the Shah was" "It looks like their intelligence was just poor because they don't talk about many reports from Iran" B-word please. They were paying attention to Iran. The revolution begins the same year they take office, you don't think that's going to be on their radar?
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The Iranians will tell you that it was the British behind it all along. I'm a little skeptical of these schizo theories because Iranians are always imagining stuff like this. They can't believe anything happens in the world without a conspiracy behind it. The problem is, these conspiracy theories require people to do the exact opposite of what they want. The last thing Carter needed was chaos in a key ally, especially in the Middle East. The president always has too many crises on his plate to deal with. Unless he's a true tard like George Bush II he's not going to make more problems for himself.
As for the records, I dunno, but I'd assume people were trying to destroy evidence of them being incompetent. Or there might be parts of the negotiations with Khomeini that would make them look bad.
Nobody did. We don't need conspiracy theories to explain what was going on. We know now that the Shah had cancer from 1974. He had centralized all power in himself, not trusting subordinates to do anything important, and now he was losing his ability to micromanage everything. But he was very good at concealing his condition. There's really no way the US could have known. What would we do, break into his doctor's office every year to check if he might have cancer?
By the 1970s the CIA had virtually zero resources put into spying on Iran. We know they're not lying about that because when the "den of spies" was captured it turned out we only had 3 CIA officers in the embassy. That's not even enough to spy on the other embassies in Tehran. What intelligence they had on internal conditions there was what SAVAK told them, which was always that everything is fine and there's no problems.
Really complicated stuff was going on and everyone was blundering around making mistakes (except Khomeini). It doesn't require anyone having malice to explain these events.
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also Carter at least did 9ne or two good things, particularly deregulsting the beer market makong it so we have craft beer today
!slots123
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And the airlines. This is when flying became affordable for normal people.
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He has no excuses for his abandonment of Africa
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What was he supposed to do? It's not like we could get involved in Angola or something in the 1970s.
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Probably not actively join in the campaign to establish communism in Rhodesia for starters
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It'll always be a white ethnostate to ME fam!
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The white ethnostate that was defended by a black army
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Based
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It might actually happen now. There was no way Netanyahu would do it before the election. But the vibes and rumors from Israel and the Lebanese involved in the negotiations indicate they've been expecting a cease-fire shortly afterward. They may have even worked out all the terms already but the Israelis were just waiting.
It's like when the Iranians agreed to release the hostages but didn't let them go until minutes after Reagan's inauguration because that's how much they hated Carter.
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Burgerland confirmed for Hamas puppet state.
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With Trump you never know. Maybe they'll kiss his butt a lot and he'll decide they're friends.
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They might write him a beautiful, beautiful love letter just like Lil Kim!
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They need to up their drip, spiritually gay man like Trump won't respect dudes who wear a mix of towels and table cloth
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Is that Afghanistan part true? Not a single American was killed after Trump made that threat while still in office?
!chuds, need a fact check.
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It's Trump, of course it's false.
6 died after Trump signed the US surrender. 2016 had fewer deaths but they had been low since 2014 after Obama beat the Taliban.
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Sure, sweaty.
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Probably not lmao but it's a cool story
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Thanks for getting cozy with the Taliban and setting them up to win after you left office.
It's like when Johnson and Nixon wanted to pull out of Vietnam but they tried to put it off until the next guy was in office. Except in our generation everything is way more r-slurred.
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but the way they pulled out of afghanistan was so fricking r-slurred. why???
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One thing I've learned in my study of military history is that people are really bad at planning the best way to lose a war when it's completely hopeless.
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Thoughts on what Ukraine is going to do?
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They'll have to give up eventually. Even if Kamala had won they would have to let the Russians keep some of the land they've taken. The question now is how much.
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God I love sage steele. Wish I could make Redditors as mad as she does by simple existing
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I have no idea what Hamas are hoping to acheive by making this announcement. They're still demanding Jerusalem which simply isn't going to happen. I'm really confused because really all this is doing is making Trump look like some kind of foreign war ending soothsayer extraodinaire but in reality there's no chance Israel pulls out based on this.
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The kings of England claimed that they were also the King of France until 1804, about 400 years after it was clear that would never happen. You've got to be able to distinguish between symbolic rhetoric and the actual real world demands these people are making.
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It's obviously possible that there might be a mismatch in public rhetoric and private discussion but what I'm trying to say is that I don't understand the purpose of the announcement. If Hamas was interested in softening their position on the ceasefire terms why wouldn't they say that, and if they weren't interested in softening their terms why would they make any announcement to begin with? It's like a pro-Trump PR move. Publicly it just confirms that there will be no ceasefire agreement but it's timing frames Trump as an arbiter of peace.
Edit: Never mind, I missed this part;
It's just more Hamas chest puffing as usual, probably using the election as a platform to make the comment more public. The statement reads: "We will not stop fighting". But framed in a way that potrays them to be seeking peace. This is the purpose of the announcement.
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I haven't been following the Gaza stuff closely because I don't know that country well. But in the last couple weeks there's been lots of signs coming from Lebanon that they expect a cease-fire soon. Rumors but also public statements from important people. My guess is whatever Hamas is saying now is related to that in some way.
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I don't understand all the right-winger gloating in this thread at all. If anything, this statement reflects poorly on Trump. "Now that Trump won, we can get what we want!", basically.
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Holy shit.
Just imagine if Trump is actually able to deliver on his promise to end hostilities before he's even sworn in LMAO
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Then we can chalk it up to Joe's amazing leadership now that he's unburdened by what has been
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if he also lets gaza still exist, he will literally make every muslim vote republicans for the rest of their lives
before he even enters office, btw
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And if he blows that filth off this planet he will receive the nobel prize. There's no losing
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That dastardly Trump and his trickiness by … unwaveringly supporting Israel?
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Pali-supporters are known to be extraordinary thinkers
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!palestine
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I mean if trump got them a ceasfire isnt that all that matters?
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JEWS WON SANDGOYIM LOST
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I heard the next golf course they're installing where Gaza was you have to putt from the river to the sea
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AI summarization for others who don't want to read that wall of text:
Yo fam, a bigwig from Hamas, Basem Naim, says Israel needs to stop trippin' in Gaza and help make a Palestinian state happen now that Donald Trump got the dub in the election. Naim thinks Trump's W means the end of major sus moves that blindly back Israel.
Trump's relationship with the conflict be hella wild, cuz he's been homies with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but also called out his leadership during wars. Netanyahu hit up Trump to say congrats on the "biggest comeback in history" and hopes they can team up for peace.
The war got everyone in the U.S. all sorts of heated, and President Biden got roasted for how he handled it. Meanwhile, Hamas wants the U.S. to stop simping for Israel and respect Palestinian rights.
The Palestinian National Authority's President, Mahmoud Abbas, also gave Trump props and hopes for peace and a Palestinian state.
With Trump back in charge, things might change big time cuz his past plays like the "deal of the century" and Abraham Accords had the whole region shook.
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still too many words
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I only follow the patriarchal aspects of Islam. Not the aspects that make you a cuck e.g. Abstaining from womanising, penetrating a sweet trap virgin butt and lowering your gaze.
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She could do something about the economy which everyone is worried about but instead she going to help some goat fricking sand BIPOCs that 99% of Americans dont care about. This is why you lost.
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DADDY BIDEN PLS LET'S MAKE PEACE DON'T LET THE BAD MAN GET US IN JANUARY
for hamascels
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"in the wake of"
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palestoids stop fighting
surrender the hostages
abandon your ideas about statehood
BANGO the war is over in 0 seconds!
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