https://www.timesofisrael.com/whats-in-the-ceasefire-deal-that-israel-and-hezbollah-are-expected-to-sign/
@Redactor0 You gotta admit this front of the war went swimmingly for Israel.
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Please don't do this. This is the copium the Russians have been doing.
Fair enough yes. There aren't many solutions that are much better but that just says the entire northern operation was bad on a political level long before you get to the strategic and operational.
Again I admit this sounds hard on the Israelis but this is still not a good outcome even if you go and define it as the best outcome possible (and I don't even though the counter ideas in my head are somewhat fantastical imo).
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I have nothing to cope about, the result exceeded my expectations by a lot, I'm just surprised you don't see it this way. All the military goals on the northern front were met in a timely manner with negligible casualties.
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Your expectations were lower than 2006? What would be a fail state for you then?
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Failure would be hundreds of dead civilians, the war dragging on, or Hezbollah being roughly as strong now as it was before the war.
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That was never going to happen. Dragging on would be the fail state for me. That was never going to happen.
Your fail state had no real chance of occurring by that metric. I won't deny a man his happiness and positivity so I won't harp on about it but this is no win in my eyes is all I'll say and if not followed through on (which could very well end up tipping into that quagmire) it'll be a loss.
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Wouldn't you agree that lot less civilians died than was reasonable to expect or that hezbolla was weakened a lot more than was reasonable to expect?
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No, civilian casualties were what I expected. Though I expected them to be low in the first place.
Yes, but this pushes out any rebuilding to the greater part of a decade, compared to the 4-ish years it took Hezbollah to "rebirth" after 2006. A victory more than I expected but not anywhere near victorious one if you get what I mean.
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You should have listened to
@Redactor0 when he was explaining hezbollah's missile capacities. Not a single mass casualty event is nothing to sneeze at. (well except those Druze kids oops)
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No need to be rude mate. But as I said I won't deny a man his happiness and positivity.
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Yeah that totally did not go like everyone expected. Tbf to me it's pretty clear now that the 150,000 guided missiles bullshit was planted in the media by the Israelis. I think I deserve some credit for at least being skeptical.
Another thing I didn't predict was the Israelis not accomplishing anything on the ground. Presumably they're not trying very hard but it's a bit shocking to see there's fighting in Naqoura. In 2006 Hezbollah didn't even try to defend it.
Kinda seems like you're bringing up some things I was proven wrong about but not others for some reason.
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You can't nation build using war, you have to measure it's success by the cost (civilian deaths, time, money) vs benefit (how much weaker the enemy is).
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