https://www.timesofisrael.com/whats-in-the-ceasefire-deal-that-israel-and-hezbollah-are-expected-to-sign/
@Redactor0 You gotta admit this front of the war went swimmingly for Israel.
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That was never going to happen. Dragging on would be the fail state for me. That was never going to happen.
Your fail state had no real chance of occurring by that metric. I won't deny a man his happiness and positivity so I won't harp on about it but this is no win in my eyes is all I'll say and if not followed through on (which could very well end up tipping into that quagmire) it'll be a loss.
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Wouldn't you agree that lot less civilians died than was reasonable to expect or that hezbolla was weakened a lot more than was reasonable to expect?
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No, civilian casualties were what I expected. Though I expected them to be low in the first place.
Yes, but this pushes out any rebuilding to the greater part of a decade, compared to the 4-ish years it took Hezbollah to "rebirth" after 2006. A victory more than I expected but not anywhere near victorious one if you get what I mean.
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You should have listened to
@Redactor0 when he was explaining hezbollah's missile capacities. Not a single mass casualty event is nothing to sneeze at. (well except those Druze kids oops)
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Yeah that totally did not go like everyone expected. Tbf to me it's pretty clear now that the 150,000 guided missiles bullshit was planted in the media by the Israelis. I think I deserve some credit for at least being skeptical.
Another thing I didn't predict was the Israelis not accomplishing anything on the ground. Presumably they're not trying very hard but it's a bit shocking to see there's fighting in Naqoura. In 2006 Hezbollah didn't even try to defend it.
Kinda seems like you're bringing up some things I was proven wrong about but not others for some reason.
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What do you mean? there was literally an earthquake felt in Haifa from the amount of shit the ground troops detonated.
Presumably exaggerated. Still, Israel blew a lot of these up.
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That doesn't make sense though, at least compared to the past. Like in Desert Storm the US sent like 10,000+ sorties trying to hunt down the Iraqi SCUD launchers firing at Israel. After the war they had to admit they weren't sure they got a single one. The real ones can move so fast they're gone before you can attack and it's easy to make decoys.
But I dunno, maybe they have new technology. Like way better IR cameras or something? I dunno. I was totally wrong about the whole part of the war and I'm still looking for answers.
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They just knew where they were located lol
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I mean seriously that doesn't make sense because they can't even capture Khiam or Naqoura so obviously they can't hit their ATGM stockpiles on the border. On the ground they have gone nowhere. So we know they have no better tactical intelligence than 2006.
Extremely confusing because they were incredibly successful at killing off all the Hezbollah leaders. Maybe they had a backup plan where they went to cell structure and started actually doing guerilla warfare... that doesn't make sense. I do not claim to understand wtf is going on. It's like 50% of the stuff I predicted is happening but even a lot of that is totally against the way I predicted it would happen.
We were hyped up that there would be a massive Hezbollah saturation attack and a massive Israeli ground invasion and neither happened.
If I was right about one thing tho it's that nobody won. Hezbollah got the shit beaten out of them and hopefully will get destroyed. You and every r-slur here were telling me up to like 1 week ago that Hezbollah had no problem in domestic politics. Something I kept repeating over and over for years and years and had every stripe of r-slur here imagining that I hate Jews because... I say most people don't like Hezbollah.
I guess it was pearls before swine.
Anyway my people fought and died alongside yours. Oh wait. No. Those were Jews. Citizens of the real Jewish State. Frick you trying to steal our glory. The world was invented by Jews and they did it in America, half of it in Oregon, not your third-world shithole.
Do I hate Zionism? You bet I do. Because it's the idea that I can't live in the same community as my Jew neighbors. This might be acceptable to Taylor Lorenz or whoever is writing for the NYT right now, but it isn't for me. I'll fight and die for them just like they will for me.
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No need to be rude mate. But as I said I won't deny a man his happiness and positivity.
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I care more about being right than being happy or positive.
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You can't nation build using war, you have to measure it's success by the cost (civilian deaths, time, money) vs benefit (how much weaker the enemy is).
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