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Rare consumer rights
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Whatever else you think of
his regulators have been on an amazing pro-consumer spree for at least the last couple of years.
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Yeah, honestly it's been pretty based. I wish he'd cuck advertisers with stronger privacy laws though. It seems like everyone in the country knows about your late night incognito search for entry level butt plugs before the thing even arrives with next day shipping.
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I've never had an issue with this. Try VPNmaxxing harder.
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Man VPNs are so gimped now. It feels like every website just blocklists every IP range associated with mullvad at least.
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Yeah mullvad is blocked a lot
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Is there one that mostly works?
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I just change my location to different third world countries until it does.
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They don't have much time until Drumph turns Amerikkka into a dystopian corporatocracy
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You joke, but the FTC click-to-cancel rule was approved in a 3-2 party line vote with the Republicans against it.
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Whenever that line gets trotted out you just know it's a piece-of-shit business practice. It's the same reasoning that insurance companies/PBMs use when they're asked why the prices and rebates for drugs aren't transparent .
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Trump's going to do that?
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No, but I wish he would
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Yeah between Biden and the EU we've had some pretty good wins for consumer rights in the tech space recently. The lawsuit against the lizard people over at Adobe was well-deserved.
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this wasnt biden or even the executive branch or agency regulators, this is the courts/judicial branch that did this.
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Correct. IIRC, this sort of "class action, precedent-establishing arbitration" came as a response from companies getting fricked in the butt due to huge costs from having to pay for large amounts of arbitration cases. The courts are saying that you can't have your cake and eat it too, and rightly so in my view.
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Who brought the suit? The customers?
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yeah, butt not like all of them.
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Give more examples
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I mentioned the click-to-cancel rule in another comment.
They also launched a "Time is Money" initiative to stop companies keeping you waiting on hold forever, and they're banning companies charging bullshit "junk fees" instead of just raising the price.
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Ty bb
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They, can't
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Uh hello, based department?
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tldr?
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Short version: Federal Court threw out Ticketmaster's arbitration terms of service rules because they're bullshit, and other companies might have to stop being so bullshit.
Longer:
Live Nation is the parent company of Ticketmaster, company infamous for shitty monopoly behavior with concert tickets etc.
Ticketmaster requires you to agree to terms that requires you to go to arbitration instead of sue.
The arbitration entity they use has confusing rules. On top of that, when they have to handle a crapload of arbitration cases (in something similar to what would be a class action lawsuit), they use a policy where they go through with a few of those arbitration cases, and then just say that verdict applies to all the other ones too.
Court threw out their arbitration contract, for both reasons. Unintelligibly complicated, and 'wtf is this batch verdict shit'.
The second one is a big deal cause a lot of companies do that.
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And the arbitration company was called new era, which livenation created iirc
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Yeah, I think it's a fair bet that if a company is able to tell you what arbitration entity you have to use in the first place, they're not going to pick one that's built to be fair or in your favor.
How it would be legal for companies to demand you only arbitrate with their favorite arbitration company, I have no feckin idea.
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!eurochads it baffles me that US citizens can sign their rights away with one single checkbox.
What baffles even more is that, for every 1 person getting fricked by these, there's 100 more mutts fighting against this. "Well you should have read the TnA BEFORE you used the service", as if stopping corporate overlords from running over the little guy is somehow 'American' in any way.
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They usually can't because arbitration clauses like that can be challenged but most people arent ornery to waste
money 
in court 
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Why don't you like America?
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It is American though?
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True Canada and Mexico don't deal with this shit
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Misinformation, only the US is free
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You don't have rights
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I mean i believe they own that specific company
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I understood, yeah.
But the wider point is still true. Even if they weren't allowed to own the company, if they're allowed to pick the company, some company will still make 'being a shitty anti-consoomer front for pseudo arbitration' its business model.
It's the fact that they're allowed to pick the venue for arbitration that's ridiculous. Beyond the entire practice of waiving the right to sue in the first place.
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I absolutely agree with you I think that arbitration eviscerates jury rights and we need to get back to jury trials the way our Founders intended
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While not really relevant to this case it's important to know that ticketmaster/livenation (they are the same corporate entity) really is indefensibly evil. They have a monopoly on 90% of US concert venues with more than a couple thousand seats and they add what amounts to a 50% ticketmaster tax on top of the base ticket price for all venues they handle sales for. They've been sued for illegal price-fixing and attempting to blackball artists and venues that refuse to play along with their fees so many times that it's impossible to keep track. This is their wiki page outline:
People that call them evil are not exaggerating.
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my understanding is that the arbitratiom clause would still be enforcable in indivodual suits perhaps, butt that class actions cant be fprced into arbitration because another ruling said that consumers cant waive their right to sue in class actions ,which is what also what made the "batch verdict" clauses unenforcable.
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What's a batch verdict?
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Ticketmaster mor like ticketbastar
The people who sell almost all tickets in the United States if not all tickets can't force arbitrate in bulk
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Lots of independent venues don't or won't work with them. If you don't go to dadrock or radio slop concerts you literally never have to deal with them
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Misinformation
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idgi
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Theres this slimy thing corpos do where they make a company, and then force you to use it when you want to sue them
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Same
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Good thing I'm in the 10th circuit so my clients can still abuse it.
For now 
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wont this be persuasive precedence in your jurisdiction tho absent a similar ruling on the issue(s)?
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Correct, although the district courts here tend to disregard the 9th a lot.
Most of my clients just avoid arbitration nowadays since it can sometimes frick you up the butt. I usually just recommend making the venue Box Elder County since the jury pool is very
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Can you give an example of buttfricking arbitration?
You know so i can stay away from it
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Generally whenever people en masse file on a company that has to front the costs of the arbitration. Patreon had a minor tizzy a while back on it.
I have one client who had to front the costs of 20 arbitrations in a similar event (they pissed off some rightoids
), and they ended up spending more fighting it than a traditional suit.
Absent coordination though, arbitration tends to help keep legal costs more predictable.
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What do you say to people who claim arbitration isnt impartial, companies hire arbitrators who would let them win more etc?
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Well they aren't generally wrong. But most I've seen default to the American Arbitration Association ruleset which at least feels okay.
A lot of it comes down to the fact that the company has lawyers and you probably don't. Which is why companies like arbitration, since it's generally too low ticket for
plaintiff firms to want to deal with it.
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Abuse what?
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Consumers no longer forced to spread their cheeks for megacorps.
@butthole in shambles
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why would you think I have any emptions about this? Why do you think I dont support consumer rights?
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i wasnt bussy blasted, i just explained that you dont know wtf youre talking about in regard to that or how contracts in the US work in gwneral
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LGTM
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