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tldr?
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Ticketmaster mor like ticketbastar
The people who sell almost all tickets in the United States if not all tickets can't force arbitrate in bulk
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Lots of independent venues don't or won't work with them. If you don't go to dadrock or radio slop concerts you literally never have to deal with them
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Misinformation
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idgi
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Theres this slimy thing corpos do where they make a company, and then force you to use it when you want to sue them
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Same
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Short version: Federal Court threw out Ticketmaster's arbitration terms of service rules because they're bullshit, and other companies might have to stop being so bullshit.
Longer:
Live Nation is the parent company of Ticketmaster, company infamous for shitty monopoly behavior with concert tickets etc.
Ticketmaster requires you to agree to terms that requires you to go to arbitration instead of sue.
The arbitration entity they use has confusing rules. On top of that, when they have to handle a crapload of arbitration cases (in something similar to what would be a class action lawsuit), they use a policy where they go through with a few of those arbitration cases, and then just say that verdict applies to all the other ones too.
Court threw out their arbitration contract, for both reasons. Unintelligibly complicated, and 'wtf is this batch verdict shit'.
The second one is a big deal cause a lot of companies do that.
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And the arbitration company was called new era, which livenation created iirc
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Yeah, I think it's a fair bet that if a company is able to tell you what arbitration entity you have to use in the first place, they're not going to pick one that's built to be fair or in your favor.
How it would be legal for companies to demand you only arbitrate with their favorite arbitration company, I have no feckin idea.
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!eurochads it baffles me that US citizens can sign their rights away with one single checkbox.
What baffles even more is that, for every 1 person getting fricked by these, there's 100 more mutts fighting against this. "Well you should have read the TnA BEFORE you used the service", as if stopping corporate overlords from running over the little guy is somehow 'American' in any way.
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They usually can't because arbitration clauses like that can be challenged but most people arent ornery to waste
money 
in court 
to do so.
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Why don't you like America?
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It is American though?
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True Canada and Mexico don't deal with this shit
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Misinformation, only the US is free
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You don't have rights
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I mean i believe they own that specific company
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I understood, yeah.
But the wider point is still true. Even if they weren't allowed to own the company, if they're allowed to pick the company, some company will still make 'being a shitty anti-consoomer front for pseudo arbitration' its business model.
It's the fact that they're allowed to pick the venue for arbitration that's ridiculous. Beyond the entire practice of waiving the right to sue in the first place.
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I absolutely agree with you I think that arbitration eviscerates jury rights and we need to get back to jury trials the way our Founders intended
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While not really relevant to this case it's important to know that ticketmaster/livenation (they are the same corporate entity) really is indefensibly evil. They have a monopoly on 90% of US concert venues with more than a couple thousand seats and they add what amounts to a 50% ticketmaster tax on top of the base ticket price for all venues they handle sales for. They've been sued for illegal price-fixing and attempting to blackball artists and venues that refuse to play along with their fees so many times that it's impossible to keep track. This is their wiki page outline:
People that call them evil are not exaggerating.
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my understanding is that the arbitratiom clause would still be enforcable in indivodual suits perhaps, butt that class actions cant be fprced into arbitration because another ruling said that consumers cant waive their right to sue in class actions ,which is what also what made the "batch verdict" clauses unenforcable.
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What's a batch verdict?
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