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I tried a server written in nodejs today. It takes 40 seconds to start running on an SSD

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What do you think is happening in the TCL or LISP based realities? Do you think there's an APL based reality??!

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What do you think is happening in the TCL or LISP based realities?

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Even though I've been fricking with Clojure for a bit the past few months, I haven't actually written anything non-trivial, so I'm still not really sure what the advantages of lisp are other than "you can test code snippets on the fly without having to write actual test cases." I've asked a Common Lisp friend of mine if that's really all it is, and they told me "That's really all it is." macros are apparently good too, but I'm still kind of r-slurred and haven't yet run into a case where I'm like "FRICK I NEED A MACRO" over just using normal functions. Also if that's the case it kind of means that only REPL capable lisps are really all that good or useful, so that narrows actual viable lisps to like, [Common Lisp Clojure Guile?(I think?) Emacs Lisp(Lol)]

They're also all prone to weird and fatal flaws that you have to get used to. Common Lisp for example, is rather old and lacks a lot of the syntactic sugar Clojure's got and suffers a great deal from being old, because there's also a thousand different ways to do a given task.

Clojure's new and nice, but it's a lang hosted on the JVM so whenever you frick something up you get an unreadable stacktrace and it's impossible to tell if you fricked something up or your library fricked something up - if you're working with an abstraction over a bunch of Java stuff, you'll probably want to look into how the abstraction works since I find that a great deal of Clojure libs don't actually explain how they work all that well...

I've never used Guile but I don't think it can compile to a binary so I consider it irrelevant and slow.

You're not gonna use emacs lisp outside emacs.

I think the newest lisp out there's called Janet but it's more like a pseudo-lisp since from what I vaguely read about it, it's really just a scripting lang with S-expressions that you're meant to use as an alternative to Lua when doing C interop. Fennel exists but I guess the advantage would be that Janet's not a transpiled or hosted lang so it's easier to reason things about within the confines of the lang.

Any lisp experts out there who can elucidate me a bit more on the general state of lisp? Like, from what I've seen it's quite a nice lang but it scares the sexy Indian dudes away because of the syntax (I consider this a pro because I don't come across sexy Indian dudes when I use google for aid.), but this seems to consequently make people somewhat allergic to it despite its syntactic simplicity. Though I don't really consider its syntax all that simple since most of the popular lisps nowadays seem to have very slightly different syntax around doing very similar tasks. I also think that Common Lisp's still the only 'good' dialect all across the board, since doing interop with java's kind of weird in Clojure, and all the other lisps seem to be completely forgotten or obscure to the point of nonexistence.

What I think we're actually gonna get in the future are typescript/kotlin-like langs that transpile to older but syntactically complex or plain bad languages. Perhaps we'll even see actual javascript-to-C type shit going on too. Well, it's either that or languages get shittier and slower and we try to keep it in control by developing better hardware.

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