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Taking notes in latex is a surefire sign of an neurodivergent r-slur that will never amount to anything

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i mean if u haven't realized by ur 2nd job that all corpo code is categorically produced to the standards of a heaping dungpile by industrious idiots, u probably should be forcibly barred from coding

the world would actually be a much better place if most !codecels weren't allowed to code.

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Youshould join the field of hpc, neurodivergent 3 hour meetings about micro optimization vs readability vs maintainable.

I once looked at our mat mul routine.

:#marseyeyemixer2:

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i don't understand all the autism in this field that just generally misses how utter shit we are at coding.

if we were actually good we'd be coding like alan kay's team:

... but instead we get a ton of wasted autism on systems orders of magnitude more complex than they need to be.

our entire programming ecosystem as a whole is basically a massive proof autism =/= correctness/efficiency/usefullness

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It's because it's easy to see how adding something solves a new requirement, it's hard to remove things and keep the same functionality.

Most programmers are barely competent too

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u should watch the lecture before trying to double down on defending utter stupidity as :marseyakshually: sane.

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Autism is hyper focusedness and solutions to procrastinating laziness.

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not necessarily. sometimes it's focuses reasonably productive. most of it isn't tho

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:marseyagree:

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optimization vs readability vs maintainable.

what does this mean?

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Code go faster, code readable, or does this code need less work if we upgrade compilers/third-party dependencies

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and what do they want of these?

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Imagine talking about this like a bad thing

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Do you use karatsuba or it is just some standard compiler multiplication?

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Strassen's. But there is some presetup code for supercomputers to find the ideal leaf size.

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Nah its a quality vs quantity issue.

Mass producing barely tolerable code 12 hours a day everyday provides far more income than producing longer term well maintained code. So corpos push for bare minimum quality threshold code.

It's also why back of the house is shit compared to front of the house. Cut all costs. minimize quality to survivable levels wherever possible because it saves money.

The problem with most corpo culture is that it is a race to raise the minimum quality standards rather than a race to make the best quality product.

At least that's my general understanding of it.

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At least that's my general understanding of it.

u have no fking idea wtf ur talking about,

there is absolutely nothing efficient about an industry wide cancer of producing 3+ orders of magnitude more code than the complexity inherently demands. there is nothing actually cheap about dealing with that, and there is nothing good that comes of it.

we are literally trash canning trillions of dollars a year globally on a system of highly paid "engineers" that by this point... fundamentally limit our potential more than broaden it, to the tune of untold trillions more.

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You are missing the point. I get to produce passable code for a dozen projects and when it shits itself I am long gone by then and it is another team's problem.

Again, this is just my understanding of the issue from an outside perspective. I could be wrong no doubt about it.

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sure the economic incentives are misaligned, but this also goes much deeper than that. not only is the high level end application code we produce utter crap, it's built on toolchains, in environments, that are in of themselves utter dogsht... lacking the consolidation and expressivity to efficiently produce and manage code at anywhere near the base level of complexity we actually understand and mentally manipulate the expressed conceptions.

this whole treading code as an "engineering" problem of applying abstractions to inherently unique situation is fundamentally a monkey brained take. code is instead a math that should trend toward generalized perfection... as all any piece of code does is take in one fixed size number and output another fix sized number.

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patents and copyrighted code though.

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just lawyers being abjectly braindead actually.

computer code fundamentally and inseparably expresses a mathematical function, and therefore shouldn't be even copywritable, let alone patentable.

the way our society goes about developing computational systems is a fricking joke that costs us literally trillions of dollars in both wasted effort and untold more in opportunity cost due to the absurd complexity due to our operating philosophy on code.

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Copyright and patents expire in like 2 decades or something though. So you just get a twenty year delay at worst while allowing the inventor to make money in that time period.

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incentivizing them to invent new expressions of the same fundamental solutions we've been putting out for decades is utterly moronic.

u still have no fking clue wtf ur talking about really.

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>as all any piece of code does is take in one fixed size number and output another fix sized number

In reality it's more complicated than that. Most business code these days involves multiple physical machines that interact with each other, and even each one physical machine is made up of multiple processors communicating. The element of time is important, partly because the machines need to coordinate properly and partly because the business requires certain things to happen at certain times. You also have to think about how your code should handle it when some service that it depends on fails for a span of time. Etc. You could come up with some highly abstract way to model all of this as mapping one fixed-sized number to another fixed-size number, but that would probably conceal more than it illuminates.

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any point at which there is a discrete input and output to a function is not just modeled as, but is fundamentally at the base abstraction computers actually operate on... is literally just inputing one fixed size number to output another fixed sized number. computer don't actually understanding anything other than fixed sized numbers, and they compute "functions," which are just mathematical abstractions that take a number as an input, and maps/outputs a single number in return.

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You can look at it like that, but I don't think it's a very helpful way to think about building business software. Business software is typically made up of multiple services connected together, some of which your company controls and some of which other companies control, and they talk to each other through APIs. This is because of economies of scale. For example, it's generally cheaper and easier to just pay Amazon to store your documents for you than to build your own document storage system. Unless you have a significant level of custom needs like wanting particular optimizations or you need huge scale, it's cheaper and easier to use an off-the-shelf database system than to build your own custom database system. Every part of these complex architectures can conceivably fail for some period of time, and the rest of your system needs to be able to know what to do if that happens. It is theoretically possible to model such complex systems as a function that maps a finite-sized number to another finite-sized number, and indeed some attempts to do this have been made... for example, there have been attempts to create purely mathematical models of computation that include the element of time as a primary element. But they have never really caught on significantly. In practice, it is generally more effective to treat building business software as a craft of figuring out how to put pieces together in a reliable way, not as a purely mathematical model.

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You can look at it like that

ur an actual moron if u don't. computers literally only operate on high/low voltages that represent 1/0, anything else is just a narrative put on top of that.

it is generally more effective

like i said at the beginning of this thread: we are as a society utter dogshit at efficiently implementing computational systems, and have created a trashheap many orders of magnitudes more complex that it fundamentall is, that not only flushes trillions of dollars/yr of expensive engineering effort literally down the drain, it limits us in untold trillions more of opportunity cost in how much time is wasted on ungodly stupid informational systems.

i won't have you idiot-splain this away to me as "effective" business. i will just keep calling u an r-slured for failing to really understand just how dogshit all code you've ever produced really is.

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Have you owned the libs yet?

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This neighbor was doing jabbascript tutorials a month ago

:#marseyemojilaugh:

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yes and?

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:#marseydepressed:

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What?

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Having a bad coder on your team is much worse than having a teammate shortage. I've seen people go and frick up code that has nothing to do with their userstory at all.

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Except me, everything I touch runs faster when I'm done

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!codecels

Podcast I listen to calls the later programmers "dark matter developers". Don't really participate in nerd "communities", use "boring" languages like Java/C# and just punch in and out at their 9-5. You don't hear from them online so they're invisible but they make up the majority of coders.

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>Podcast I listen to calls the later programmers "dark matter developers". Don't really participate in nerd "communities", use "boring" languages like Java/C# and just punch in and out at their 9-5. You don't hear from them online so they're invisible but they make up the majority of coders.

Impossible. How could there be anything more delightful in life than commanding the golem?

!codecels


:#marseydisintegrate: :!#marseyflamewar::space::!marseyagree:

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The majority of programmers are just grinding out new functionality on CRUD apps anyways and most of the time when someone comes up with some new "cool unique thing" it's because they were clueless about an existing solution. I unironically think that we should teach more in Languages like ocaml or F#, being able to have business logic in type systems would mitigate a lot of the sludge that people are grinding out without the skill ceiling of Haskell.

People also need a reality check, it's not the 90s anymore and we have a lot of good tooling that allows us to ignore subsets of problems, no one cares if you can use VIM when VSCode is good enough

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Most people are probably building mountains of business logic in JS and use Next.js to serve it up :marseyscream:

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vim is good for sysadmin work but programmers would just be hurting themselves using it as an ide.

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Wrong.

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Most of the ones I know are a lot more socially well adjusted than the meme I see online. Its a pretty stark difference unless you go to specific start-ups in specific areas

The HR meme is usually true, though.

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takes all of his class notes in latex

The definition of insanity

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I did this for math courses. It's easier to make things clear tbh

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Just use pen and paper..... it takes a tenth of the time and you'll remember it better.

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I bought an ipad 9 for 265$ which amazon never charged me for since it arrived a week+ late and I pressed the refund button a couple days before it arrived. A lot better than pen&paper imo and it's not that expensive either.

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MS Word unironically has excellent formula support.

I just used a pencil and paper though, even better.

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Google docs has way better formula support. Word's version work pretty much the same way, but it's extremely buggy and most of the time the \ latex shortcuts just don't work for no apparent reason :marseyconfused2: . Found out when I was doing algorithms class in university like 2 years ago.

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I just used a pencil and paper though, even better.

ave you guys like tried, not taking notes? like it is in your books lmao

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It wasn't always, but I agree with you and oftentimes I'd write few notes.

I did find that physically writing stuff down once was usually enough for me to memorize it, though. Sometimes I'd write notes and never read them back because I didn't have to.

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Because for most coding is a job, not a lifestyle and using generic proprietary app while working for generic proprietary company is good enough for them.

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Found 91 Coins!

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:#praiseallah:

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Goomble them.

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Can't. Must be 100 or more.

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So round up, cute twink.

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I do love me some peer pressure.

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>grifters grifters grifters

The fricker that uploaded one of my favorite words to the low-iq lefty sphere needs to pay for his crimes. :marseyraging:

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What are they gonna do next, steal "r-slur" from us? :marseymad:

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Most abused term on the internet

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People are jerking off in the comments that "using neurodivergent cowtools doesn't make you a better programmer", but using devSlop election apps definitely makes you a worse one

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I'd hire somebody who only knows VSCode over somebody who cares about what the difference between vim and neovim is, every time. vim / emacs users are 0.1x programmers

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:marseyshrug: my freshman year C professor forced everyone to use vim for assignments. I learned how to use it and it just made me less productive compared to using chromiumslop, so I stopped using it after that class ended. There's probably a positive correlation between :marseyautism: tool people and being technically capable, but I don't really see how using chromiumslop is worse than using the :marseyautism: tool.

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vim is pretty good if you can actually have language support in it, I used it for school and the servers came preconfigured with it, so kino.

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Neovim? I use Kakoune :marseysmug:

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Friend number 2 is probably a foid.

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Friend number 1 is a foid too :marseytrans2:

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tfw no gf (male) to critique my vimrc

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I went to microcenter with my ex gf (male) for her birthday and bought her a computer only for her to send me worried emails about AMD PSP later :marseyschizotwitchpat:

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These type of posts are always cope from incompetent programmers who don't want to believe that other people might know their cowtools and be better due to that.

They never mention there's other guys in the company that actually know what they're doing and pretty much setup everything for them and always help them fix up their shit when their pretty GUI cowtools explode.

One doesn't exclude the other: you can both know your cowtools AND not be a social sperg. Stop bragging about "being nice to your teammates", it's the fricking minimum

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no, every other person calls their teammates slurs and can't handle eye contact

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Or, person 2 is using the most common cowtools and language that companies look for.

Most companies, especially contractor companies for the government that I work dont give a shit you use a bunch of gay gizmos for your workflow.

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Actually. A huge chunk of coders are employed in companies whose products are not softwares. Nobody cares about your linux jerk if you can't explain why you're the only person holding back the team leader from implementing his agile scrum whatever. Just copy paste ++ or jave code like a normal person.

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I will say using git from the command line for ages has made me the go to guy for git problems.

I'm not even a codecel :marseyshrug:

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