Putin pledges a ceasefire in Ukraine if Kyiv withdraws from occupied regions and drops NATO bid : worldnews Redditor showing their god tier IQ

"Occupied regions" also means the regions where he barely managed to occupy anything like Zaporizhzhia and Kherson. So he wants Ukraine to surrender two major oblasts along with their capitals. One of those cities he managed to occupy in the beginning only to promptly lose again.

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(Light blue is already mostly lost by khohols)

barely managed to occupy anything

@GayRayniumDonGER is that peak first wolder iq ?

Counter offer; Russia withdraws from all of Ukraine including Crimea, pays war reparations for the damage they caused, brings Russian war criminals to justice and in few decades relationships with the world can be restored.

Now this is peak first wolder iq just like that genius putting cap on Russia oil price after all frick oligopoly MR=MC or frick even MC=P all peak first wolder iq like frau Ursula knows consumer can set any price anywhere. So here it's the typical “ Russia withdraws from all of Ukraine including Crimea” the frick will this even happen if khohols are literally losing and even 2 months didn't passed they asked for another 60 billions, so a losing side not only sets rules but also doing some peace talk without the side it's fighting like what homosexual shit is this ? Only Redditors can understand this.

He fully well knew they were not going to accept those terms.

Oh look a rare not full tard comment. Putin gave Ukraine a very nice offer and if khohols were smart they would had told yes and fricked all his plans but he knows they are r-slurs.

But most comments are of course

It's a three step solution: exit every inch of Ukraine, pay trillions in reparations, and turn Putin over to The Hague.

Yeah, those were obviously his pipe dream conditions for Ukrainian capitulation.

Yeah because for almost a year and 100's new billions Ukraine couldn't even capture anything.

Kitty Putin invaded them cause hes an idiot. The war is still going on cause of his bruised ego and tiny peepee

I have no arguments I throw me pms rage: peepee peepee peepee

The absurd conditions were basically getting back to the situation before feb 2022 invasion.

For homosexual sake, how come that condition got only worse, ain't Ukraine winning ?

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Homo should go hold bakhmut I ain't paying taxes for him to shill on Reddit.

The question is, is Ukraine on the path to surrender? Cut a deal today or cut a deal with less in the future? Can they turn this around?

They already have. They demolished the Russian offensive in Kharkiv and they are making Crimea useless to Russia as the Russian economy begins to crumble.

Homo is making sense

Wooot the last successful battle Ukraine had was now almost 2 years ago and since then Russian battle strategy changed and non game changers managed to help Ukraine.

Also yes Russian economy getting destroyed

Redditors are awesome they wrote what they want to happen as facts that already happened

Ironically

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1dfqzax/russia_makes_first_public_ceasefire_proposal_to/

Redditor conspiracy has better takes that mainstream Redditors.

When has the side losing a war not gotten a shit deal? Unless another country puts boots on the ground, Ukraine can only lose so many men. I wish it wasn't the case bc frick Russia, but I believe that's the tough reality.

True

Ukraine would be in a good spot if they could strike a strong blow/take a chunk of territory back, then sue for peace.

Suing for peace is an act by a warring party to initiate a peace process. "Suing for", in this older sense of the phrase, means "pleading or petitioning for". Suing for peace is usually initiated by the losing party in an attempt to stave off an unconditional surrender.

Its almost khohols had such moment in the past.

they're not losing the war, though?

They arent able to get that territory back without massive losses- so they've more or less been at a standstill for 2 years

Not being able to capture anything meaningful for 2 years and keep losing territory in war of attrition is not losing.

I'm not sure which sitrep you've been reviewing, but the major ones I've followed from the start show a slow but sure operational victory for Russia. This will be over soon if Ukraine cannot clear the sky. Rus sorties are pounding the front with glide bombs and they are firing much more accurately with artillery with a 2-3x higher volume. Rus recently made their tanks drone-proof and Ukraine is relying heavily on kamikaze drones to stop mechanized assaults. The manpower losses by Ukraine are too high. 30,000-40,000 men lost per month is not recoverable by arresting draft dodgers on the street. Some European countries are going to try and extradite Ukrainian men back to Ukraine but that process will be VERY messy and likely too late of an arrival to make a difference.

This is a war of attrition and it is unlikely that even if France joined Ukraine with boots on the ground that Russia's gains would slow. When Ukraine was winning tail end of 2022, there was a decent amount of highly trained troops making counter-offensive assaults. Most of those heroes have fallen and now there are less and less assaults. The war has turned into pure defense for Ukraine and that is not possible to sustain if they are unable to stop the softening blows from the mechanisms I already mentioned.

Example: Russia took Avdiivka on Feb 17th, but has already progressed to Umans'ke which is 15km northwest. 15km might not sound like alot, but the front is over 1000km long. These gains are steady across the entire front. Definitely not a standstill

Like for real you won't find such reasonable comment on regular Reddit

Yes, territory exchange has ground to a halt. Now think about manpower and who can outlast who. Ukraine is really short on manpower, they admit it themselves. They just don't have a large enough population to go toe to toe with Russia forever unless they get manpower outside their own country. I doubt it's gonna happen. We can send them all the money and weapons we want, but they need men to use them

Russia has been operating with forced conscripts trying to dodge the draft since the first few months- and their losses have basically wiped out what passes as "trained military".

The US experienced this in Vietnam- who werent being supplied by most of the world.

The 'forced conscripts', 'low quality' angle is propaganda. They are currently recruiting 30k soldiers a month. There's literally videos of Ukraine grabbing people and throwing them into vans, you think that's gonna get them quality motivated soldiers?

Thing is, Ukraine doesn't have a whole lot of room to bargain. Without Western support they would crumble immediately. However, any more aggressive military aid would result in a world war.

Yeah, they can keep the status quo, but there's no denying who suffers more from the current situation. Russia is the largest country in the world, they have the resources and manpower to sustain this war for years. Ukraine is taking heavy casualties on top of an already declining population dating back to the 90's.

A rational leader would admit defeat, settle for a truce, and give it his best in a negotiation. A proud leader will continue to let his men die in a war they have absolutely no chance of winning.

We live in strange times when conspirator cels making way more sense than mainstreamcels