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Ukrainians might be better off at this rate to bomb shit out of Hungary and then wait for liberation by NATO
A NATO occupation would be better than Russians
Just ask Germans eh
Yes. please bomb Hungary
Looks like restarting nuclear armament the only way. Pathetic
But I don't want another slav country to have nukes
Time for a joint Polish Ukranian nuclear programme. We are a part of nato but it's better to play it safe.
Oh no, it's two more slav countries now
I don't think the US should dictate who's in the alliance. But Hungary exists so the whole unanimous vote is pretty rough.
NATO is Murica's toy, if they want Ukraine into NATO it will get in with or without Orban's approval
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Not sure what the point of this is?
How would it work? They are already at war, so I assume rule 5 or whatever it's called does not apply, or if it does why tf would anyone vote yes.
Will this increase the aid it can receive? They already are getting everything many NATO countries can throw at them anyway.
Is this supposed to be purely symbolic?
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NATO rules already say you cannot join when you are involved in an active war.
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This makes it even more confusing.
Is this a vote for Ukraine to join, but only when the war is over?
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General rule of thumb is that accession to NATO requires any major outstanding territorial disputes to be resolved, and ending the war doesn't equate to that outcome. Unless Ukraine specifically renounces their claims on their own 'lost' territory, then they will forever have themselves stuck in this limbo
Russia's goals in Ukraine have shifted markedly ( especially after hostemel ), but a major aim has always been to restrict Ukraine's potential entry into NATO and Russia initiating a frozen conflict with them achieves that, theoretically.
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Yeah, I assume it's a symbolic 'the west stands with you' gesture. People on the internet still struggle with the fact that NATO isn't helping Ukraine with the same fervour they would help a fellow NATO country
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isn't that a "no shit" situation, letting them in would involve immediately starting full scale war with Russia
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Global nuclear holocaust is a small price to pay to fight for lgbt+ folx in some slav shithole most people hadn't even heard about until a few years ago
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okay but allow me to present my counterpoint:
Orangemanbad likes Russia, thinks we should have peace and harmony with Russia, wants to trade with Russia
Orangemanbad
ergo, Russiabad. Q.E.D.
Getting into a war with Russia and annihilation of all life on earth is superior to appearing to be anywhere near agreement with orangemanbad, because he is orangemanbad.
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Of course that's the entire reason Zelenskyyyy wants it so badly. I think he recognizes the only way Ukraine can actually "win" this war (rather than a long, drawn-out stalemate) is if it erupts into world war 3 and the actual heavy hitters (read: the united states) get directly involved. He will do anything to antagonize for WW3.
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Why're they acting like it's only Orban?
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He's the most annoying one
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"I don't think the only country that contributes anything to NATO should decide who's a NATO"
Fricking r-slurs
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Why would they want a bunch of absolute losers to shit up NATO even more? Would you want to rely on ukrainians for your protection? Lmao
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Eh, Ukraine in NATO would be eventually a good idea. They are a big country bordering Russia, they hold a large part of the Black Sea's shore, are one of the few countries with access to the sea that have a navy and they are known arms/munition/military technology producers, even before Russia took Crimea. Besides they'll probably play nice after they join since they need NATO's protection a lot more than most european countries.
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They can't do anything for themselves. If we need those ports and all their shit if war breaks out we'll just take it.
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Obviously, but that was true for the whole NATO if America wanted to invade any country here.
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But a devastated Ukraine brings literally nothing to the table other than another mouth to feed
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Rebuilding Ukraine will EU's problem not NATO's, but fair.
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Ukraine can't unless it cedes the territories occupied by Russia
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