Reddit's quest to somehow earn more gibs for Ukraine by whining online is starting to spill into other topics Israel plans to use the hezbollah weapons they found, but maybe... maybe they could give those to Ukraine?

They should give the Russian ones to Ukraine.

In exchange for cheap drones!

Ukraine will become a cheap drone maker exporter power house

Ukraine actually tried to convince Israel to help bolster their defence in exchange for drones but Israel said no (in a pretty condescending way too from what I can remember)

They should give these weapons to Ukraine so they can be sent back to Russia properly!

After that drone attack that killed four IDF soldiers Ukraine tried again, saying that they made drones specifically to combat the iranian ones and they could offer them (and what they learned fighting iranian drones) to Israel. Including a 'I told you so' too. I'm not sure if Israel even bothered to respond to that.

Using captured weapons of your enemy against former master is time honored tradition in war.

I too would like to see these weapons given to Ukraine but if Israel want to use it for their own purpose, they have the final say.

Israel is in the middle of fighting Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Iran. They should probably keep their weapons.

None of which will use tanks against Israel. Trade them for some air launched missiles, Ukraine can't use those

Israel uses a lot of ATGMs even if it does not face tanks, because it uses those against buildings, defensive positions, and infantry in general. Yes, these are primarily against tanks, but these missiles are multi-purpose.

From whom? Ukraine is not going to hand over any air-to-ground missiles and why would Israel need any of their air-to-air missiles?

From the us obviously

Israel clearly is not having any difficulties in getting bombs from the US, and Israel primarily uses its own developed air-launched missiles (ROCKS, Golden Horizon, Air LORA). In fact, it is not known to have expressed any interest in the air-launched cruise missiles that the US possesses nor has it openly tried to develop any (as opposed to ALBMs).

The most valuable thing the US could offer is another THAAD battery, but that is unlikely due to the severe shortage of them.

>Israel clearly is not having any difficulties in getting bombs from the US

Sure, the 'gib ukraine' redditors can be annoying but you don't have to go straight for the throat like that

Give it to Ukraine! The irony of suppling the enemy of Russia with Russian weapons captured from Iranian backed terrorists is just too good to give up on..

Great idea !

Israel is in the middle of fighting Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Iran. They should probably keep their weapons considering everyone is threatening to stop supplying them.

But none of those use tanks against Israel.

AT units work great on bunkers and buildings.

Yes, but the relative value would be much higher to Ukraine, which means if you involve enough allies in the wheedling and dealing, you can probably provide Israel with a few things it really needs, take the lot of things it sorta needs, and provide the latter to a Ukraine that really needs.

Especially since the US can more easily provide Israel with symbolic or physical assistance than it can generate brand new Ukraine aid. But Im not a professional wheedler and dealer. So I could be wrong

Ukraines deficiencies are mostly in manpower and air defense. Their anti tank capabilities are routinely sufficient to gut Russian armored attacks. The West can provide antitank weapons, and does in good number.

Like I said, I could be wrong. My amateurish guess was that while anti-tank may not be Ukraine's most pressing need, it fell even lower on Israel's list, and that anti-tank is one of those things you can never have too much of on a front line the size of Ukraine. I just hope that the weapons are used to their maximum efficiency for some country fighting terrorism, either Ukraine or Israel

>Yes, but the relative value would be much higher to Ukraine

: Look Israel, Ukraine just needs those more, ok?

The two largest arms suppliers for Israel are the US and Germany (together c. 99% of arms imports) and both are continuously delivering weapons, and others would not provide all that much short-term value to the IDF. For example, Israel needs missile interceptors that it produces together with the US already, and jets / helicopters / tankers that it is buying from the US, or submarines from Germany.

Moreover, various countries that could deliver weapons are calling for arms boycotts of Israel (UK, France, Italy, Canada, and more).

If anything, many of these countries and more (e.g. Netherlands) benefit a lot more from arms imports from Israel than them providing substantial arms exports to Israel.

That realistically leaves US weapons in exchange for ATGMs to Ukraine - however, Israel clearly has no issue receiving weapons from the US in the first place.

yes, you are correct, I was already feeling that the main flaw in my logic was that any assistance the US could provide for Israel, it already is providing, which perhaps limits wheedling potential. In summary though, as I said in another comment, I just hope they are used to their max efficiency in taking down terrorists of one variety or another

Edit: am I being downmarseyd for admitting I could be wrong? Haha. Too beta?

>Israel clearly has no issue receiving weapons from the US

Someone was just complaining on twitter yesterday that America is selling Black Hawks to every country aside from Ukraine, which is specifically banned from the program (even if they pay for it). Rubbing it in that Israel can get as many weapons from US as it wants whenever it wants is pretty mean actually

I don't know if they are still fighting the Houthis. The Houthis suddenly announced that they were willing to accept the peace and intervention deal proposed by Saudi Arabia 5 years ago. I guess the leaders realised that Hamas is basically gone, Hezbollah is getting its teeth kicked in and Iran isn't doing so well, and that once Hamas or Hezbollah is fully destroyed, Israel will be able to turn their attention to the Houthis.

Which, IIRC, involves the fighting ending, the Houthis disarming and working to help stabilise Yemen and start working towards democratic elections.

Edit to change "Sudan" to "Yemen". Got the country wrong.

Maybe. But that doesn't mean you give weapons away.

: Come on Israel, you're only fighting on three fronts not four!

Plenty of Israelis and Ukrainian Jews in Israel would love that, but as long as Bibi is in power and as long as Iran doing their darnest to disrupt the attention the world has to give to the russian invasion and to hurt Israel as much as they can, there won't be much that Israel can do for Ukraine for now.

Hopefully Israel can get rid of Bibi soon and eradicate both Hamas and Hezbollah (or as close as can be), maybe then there will be enough attention brought back to Ukraine.

How this is Bibi's fault?

Ukraine needs them more just saying

I agree

Even /r/military joined the fun!

Send them to Ukraine 🇺🇦!!!!!!

Anyway, apparently Ukraine wants something similar to the Iron Dome and Israel either doesn't want to take the time to help Ukraine set it up or doesn't want to share it's secrets, which is one of the reasons it doesn't want to negotiate with Ukraine. The other reason being not wanting to get into a slapfight with Russia

I heard the idea floated around of shipping them to Ukraine.

I prefer that, with so much Russian weaponry captured it would be justified to use it on them, teach them a small lesson about the consequences of arming our enemies.

Plus if I'm not mistaken Ukrainians are already trained on Russian weapons, because they're basically still Soviet weapons. But I'm not an expert on this and maybe this doesn't apply to the antitank weapons.

An this is from /r/israel

According to the reports mentioned in the article (I think they first appeared in Israel Hayom), the amount of weaponry captured from Hezbollah's caches is staggering - tens of thousands of Russian and Iranian anti-tank missiles (Kornet and Almas), enough to arm a whole new unit.

Should sell em for cheap to Ukraine

Honestly giving them as a gift in his nor of freedom and democracy would be the best pr chess move. Israel clearly doesn't need the guns

Yes!!!

Strategically that's a good move. Politically it's not so I don't see that happening.

Probably not.

A country which is surrounded by hostile countries and other entities can't really afford fighting an overseas war that doesn't have anything to do with it.

Also can Ukraine even pay for weapons?

Send it to Ukraine.

Tbf it wouldn't surprise me if eventually the two countries will start collaborating more if the war in Ukraine drags on. If Israel expands it's operations into other muslim countries it will probably encounter more and more russian shit and might end up agreeing to help Ukraine to keep Russia busy on another front

Or send that gear to Ukraine if that's the case (I'm sure Ukraine would appreciate anything it can get its hands on).

That would be an ethical thing to do, probably, and also a fair way to treat Russia after all the support they had been giving Israel's enemies, but I'm not sure Israel is going to arm Ukraine. Israel has already had multiple opportunities to do that before and didn't, and I can't say the reasons are absurd (Russia could retaliate by supplying Iran with more advanced weapons/defense systems, or even giving them to regional militias, trying to shoot down Israeli fighter jets striking targets in Syria or harass the Jewish community in Russia).

Israel has a lot more to lose than to gain by arming Ukraine

And ukros have proved to be pretty adaptable, if they keep getting rejected over the Iron Dome thing they'll probably agree to shift demands around it, it's not like they can afford to be picky

Send to our friends in Ukraine.

Send it to Ukraine

Why? It isn't like Israel is fighting groups with armor,those who do have a very limited amount and Israel already have more than enough options to deal with it. They can sell it to Ukraine or repurpose the explosives.

I will say this again. Give as much of these weapons to Ukraine. They were produced by Russia and Iran, Russia's ally, and it would be only fair to go full cycle and let the Ukrainians return them to the sender.

Last comments of this sort and I ran out of comments to add too. It was an interesting read