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no they produce more of those then they lose
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Wish he'd commit much more to Ukraine because neutering the russoids would benefit us and everyone else but it's whatever.
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Ukraine ain't going to win and in global scheme it already plays negatively because it only makes China stronger.
That's why Trump doesn't want a beef with Russia.
Ukraine is only worth something if they control Donbas and Crimea. Zelenskyy no matter how many bs he told he never promised to capture Donetsk and even hinted its impossible.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I have no love for Ukraine. Russia is just a geopolitical enemy and once Putin eventually dies it's likely going to give rise to a number of splinters who will then have access to whatever materiel remains. I'd prefer as much of it be exhausted and destroyed as possible before that happens, and Ukrainians dying while using our leftovers to make that happen is the absolute best way for that to happen.
No illusions that Russia poses a threat to Europe; they won't touch a nato member and Poland could singlehandedly roll through clear to Moscow without breaking a sweat. The plain and simple of it is just that Russia is unfriendly at best towards America and American interests and the aid we've sent Ukraine has been virtually unnoticeably small with regards to our budget and what we're actually sending them. It's been a very good deal.
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Ukraine aid is a lot bigger than media wants you to believe. Like it safe to assume Ukraine got around 70% of total nato AD and artillery.
Example officially Ukraine got 31 abrams but there are more than 31 destroyed around so media created a story that Australia has given Ukraine 70 extra.
Same with Bradley officially Ukraine got 107 but there is way more than 107 destroyed so they stealthy changed to "Ukraine received over 300 Bradley". Ukraine got in June officially 6 f16 but 1 was destroyed by Ukraine and 4 blown up in hangars but they still had some so they officially changed to 16 f16.
Ukraine aid is over 500 billions.
Countries like Poland gave majority of their stuff to Ukraine.
And Ukraine had 2nd biggest army in Europe with more total tanks than all of Europe (without Russia) so they weren't a joke.
If Russia falls apart it will make China stronger and logical goal is not to unite China and Russia.
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It would be pretty funny to arm Ukraine with all this shit and 4 years from now they elect a president who's hostile to the EU.
Blowback is a b-word!
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Why does pushing Russia into the arms of china(ammo), iran(drones), and north korea(bugmen) help us?
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Costs them money, costs them men, costs them large amounts of clout, costs them time. Plus if Ukraine were to somehow manage to win they'd join nato and we'd have an even tighter vice around the slav horde. Do you really think a BRICS victory, however pathetic and overdrawn, benefits us?
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What does or could winning look like to you?
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Ideally all pre-invasion borders restored, Crimea restored, Russia on the hook for the bill to rebuild, a strengthened Ukraine in our debt with a humiliated and even further weakened Russia licking its wounds.
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As much as I don't like Russia
that's not possible without foreign troops aiding Ukraine 
Just population wise Russia
will eventually win. The only way Russia 
wins wars is to continue throwing 
bodies until their enemy 
is exhausted.
Trumps plan simultaneously creates "essentially" a nato border
between 
Russia 
and Ukraine 
funded by euros while we supply Ukraine 
arms and training to prevent future 
invasions.
Eventually if we allow this to continue all of Ukraine
will belong to Russia 
(it will cost them dearly though and many many years)
Better to grab our gains
and stabilize the area to prevent future 
Russian 
expansion. They can't move any further west without a hot war with NATO which they don't want
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!historychads !burgers thoughts?
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Patton was right
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Both Patton (about Russia) and MacArthur (about China) were right and the people of the west owe both of them an apology.
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I mean frick if we go to war go total war and utterly destroy
them and their civilization
This half in half out war shit we've been doing since WW2 hasn't been working
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vou fazer coisas indescritíveis com suas nádegas
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Well ill give you credit for not having them roll through Moscow.
Im not happy with ukr because of the whole biden buriama democrat corruption shit and their refusal to help daddy in 2020.
Lets take restoration of borders as a middle of the road victory and specifically 2020 borders, if they get that we can call it a win. Of course they could get more.
What would be their path to get there? Direct Nato involvement? Something else?
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I don't see them keeping it without direct nato involvement
Right strategy, equipment, and Russian
incompetence they could grab it on their own temporarily, but they can't keep it due to just differences in the amount of bodies that can be thrown at it
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