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probably food, potable water, guns/ammo

They're going to have enough for a handful of people.

seeds

lol

running electricity

For a bunker and a small family. Not an electrical grid.

advanced computers

A couple computers aren't gonna mean shit when the priorities are growing food, building shelter, and re-establishing order.

You have no idea what actual survivalism entails. None of that will make them rich and powerful after a civilizational collapse. The new rich and powerful will be the warlords who can marshall the firepower to re-establish a monopoly of force under their local regime.

That also doesnt counter my point

Yes it does. The Western financial system and economies are where these rich Africans store their wealth. If civilization collapses, there won't be anymore wealth.

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warlords who can marshall firepower

so rich people/military industrial complex connected people

You have no idea what actual survivalism

You dont know either, because you dont even know what cataclysm we would be trying to survive.

The Western financial system and economies are where these rich Africans store their wealth. If civilization collapses, there won't be anymore wealth.

because africa had no money/civilization b4 westerners showed up. Lmao dont be a racist

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so rich people/military industrial complex connected people

Naw, more likely field grade officers, police chiefs, i.e. the people who can rally and lead the guys who are trained in organized violence. Maybe there are some "rich and connected" who can help keep things running, too, but the power inevitably goes to the guys who can command the most people with guns. The late Roman Empire and the Warlord period in China are instructive on this matter.

You dont know either, because you dont even know what cataclysm we would be trying to survive.

You're the one citing "boston dynamic ai cyborgs" as a useful thing in a survivalist scenario.

because africa had no money/civilization b4 westerners showed up. Lmao dont be a racist

Wtf are you talking about? I'm talking about modern rich Africans storing their wealth offshore to keep it away from local instability. During a regime collapse, the ones who don't store their wealth offshore have it sacked and stolen either by the next regime or during general unrest. You're the one that brought up "war torn Africa".

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The late Roman Empire and the Warlord period in China are instructive on this matter.

bc thats totally comparable to what would happen in a modern scenario.

You're the one citing "boston dynamic ai cyborgs" as a useful thing in a survivalist scenario.

what about that wouldnt be useful in maintaining a $167million self-sustaining compound in a post collapse world?

I'm talking about modern rich Africans storing their wealth offshore to keep it away from local instability.

there were rich africans before modernity, chud. :marseynails:

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bc thats totally comparable to what would happen in a modern scenario.

The Warlord period was only a century ago. This is what always happens when there's a collapse of the current order. All of the complex systems that relied on this order fall apart and power decentralizes.

what about that wouldnt be useful in maintaining a $167million self-sustaining compound in a post collapse world?

It wouldn't be useful for a local subsistence community. Neither would a luxury bunker.

there were rich africans before modernity

When there was a war that brought down the regime upon which these rich relied, then they stopped being "the rich".

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The Warlord period was only a century ago.

yeah, before airplanes, mass global communication, sattalites and drones, etc. What you predict might happen in todays day and age is pure speculation with no kore or less weight than my speculation.

It wouldn't be useful for a local subsistence community. Neither would a luxury bunker.

I disagree

When there was a war that brought down the regime upon which these rich relied, then they stopped being "the rich".

that's with traditional war though. A mass cataclysm causing global collapse or a nuke war, will be a completly different scenario.

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yeah, before airplanes, mass global communication, sattalites and drones, etc.

All of those things you mentioned are incredibly dependent on a highly complex chain of logistics and industry, chains which would be the first to break in a major collapse scenario.

What you predict might happen in todays day and age is pure speculation with no kore or less weight than my speculation.

What I'm suggesting is a general description of what historically has happened when complex societies break down.

I disagree

Go to any Amish community and see how much they need luxury bunkers and scifi AI robots. Oh, and good luck maintaining all that advanced shit without any replacement parts.

that's with traditional war though

I was not talking about a traditional war. I was taking about a collapse in local order, usually what happens during a coup de tat.

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would be the first to break in a major collapse scenario.

yoi dont know that, nor to what extent and in what ways civilization will collapse when whatever happens happens.

Go to any Amish community and see how much they need luxury bunkers and scifi AI robots.

need=/=want, and somethings that are wants are quite useful/helpful, like modern medicine and technology.

I was not talking about a traditional war. I was taking about a collapse in local order, usually what happens during a coup de tat.

thats still war in the traditional sense. Not a mass cataclysm, zombie apocalypse or thermonuclear war.(each of which would themselves lead to drastically different outcomes).

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yoi dont know that, nor to what extent and in what ways civilization will collapse when whatever happens happens.

The most complex, wide-reaching chains would most likely be the first to break-down. That is a very uncontroversial take.

need=/=want, and somethings that are wants are quite useful/helpful, like modern medicine and technology.

Enough medicine for a family isn't going to make someone rich, and medicine expires. A handful of technology in the bunker isn't going to be useful at scale and it can no longer be repaired.

Not a mass cataclysm or thermonuclear war.(each of which would themselves lead to drastically different outcomes).

They'd lead to an even more extreme versions of the same outcome as a regime collapse. In other words, if local rich people can't stay rich through a local regime collapse without an external system in which to store their wealth, then global rich people can't stay rich through a global collapse since the system on which their wealth depended (and where it was stored) will have collapsed, as well.

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